Both EDM and DET say no. No one wants a broken down Horny or Doesn't Matta. Aim lower. Stralman staying in TB.

Edmonton deal has some interest to it. Gives Edmonton a good winger to play with McDavid and gives them future assets. Would at least get calls going back and forth if not be completed that way. But no chance the Ottawa or Detroit trades even get considered

Trade Phat Phil to Edmonton.

Kessel should not be moved, thats like moving crosby or malkin. Its dumb.
Hornqvist is still playing great hockey.
RNH is a joke and a bust and overpayed and has never even hit 60 points.

if the price was right that would actually work for both sides.
Say what you want about Phil, but he can shoot the puck better than you ever will. On McDavid's line it would probably work really well. Because McDavid has the speed to cover for Phil on defense and keep a team heeled back. No one presses on McDavid's line because they don't want to get burned. They know they won't win a foot race. That's advantage Phil.

The question is, what could Edmonton give up for him.

Pullju ? RNH? Nurse? Bouchard? 1st and 2nd Round? some sort of a combination of these parts.

Horn is great? that's a sarcastic joke right?

It's hard to say. It's a more complex question because it's not just the return but what they would do with the cap space. I think they can play Hallander on the RW next year. They will have another log jam there. Or they put him at 3C but that's why they got McCann.

So there are a lot of moving parts here. The return could be high or low depending on what their plans would be.

So rhn is a joke and overpaid bc he hasn’t scored 60 points but Hörnqvist who is 7 years older and hasn’t scored 60 points in a season is playing great hockey?

Hörnqvist has what 5 concussion this season? And makes 700k less than rhn and signed till hes 36 years old? Your logic is terrible.

Also trading kessel is comparable to Crosby / malkin? Your player evaluation is inconsistent and penguins trading kessel makes sense since his value would be high and penguins need to dump cap.

no

Dont bring facts into this discussion it is too much of a strain on his brain.

Haha yeah. I mean he’s a pens fan I’m assuming. Guentzel and rnh are basically the same age and have the same amount of points. I bet he thinks Guentzel is way better. Major difference is Guentzel plays w Crosby. Now Guentzel for rnh is way more fair.

Ironic part they are going to make the same amount of money

Best part is RNH has 56 pts


Hornqvists career high is 53 and if he played a full season he would only be on pace for 43 pts...

Way too much. Kessel is 31 and is getting paid 6.8million?

I’d say depending on what #oilers 1st round pick is let’s say 10-15

Pick #10-15 in a great draft and Puljujärvi and bear. Penguins need his cap to resign players.

Idk why they think Hörnqvist and kessel have such big values?

Rnh = Guentzel

Horny = Dustin brown maybe lucic and a pick

Kessel= 1st (10-15 overall) Puljujärvi and maybe a b prospect

The Oil are pushed up to the Cap too, so they'll need to dump salary to take a Phat Phil, of course this is all b.s. talk, no way Phil says yes to a trade to Canada again.

@Arom5477 @Capitalfail67 @draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Except its not just hormqvist for rnh, its also a 3rd and a 1st and one of our top prospects for someone whos more expensive amd will likely score the same amount of points or less because he will play on our third line.



Puljujarvi is a bust and a b prospect is nothing and that middlish 1st will be very unlikely to land a prospect like kessel who has a career high of 98 points. That would be a stupid trade.

WTF. Total Homer takes.

RNH isn't a bust and the fact you can state he's never scored 60 points is going away soon because he's got 56 points in 64 games thus far this year. Maybe you don't understand what the definition of a bust is lmao; well it's not someone who's on pace to score 72 points rofl. That's literally idiotic to suggest that.

Your view on Penguins players is terribly slanted in their favor. Hornqvist isn't great he's an average 2nd liner. Trading Kessel is nothing like trading Crosby or Malkin... He's not close to as good as them.

After the work AA put in to improving his defensive game last summer he went from Blashill's doghouse to one of his go to guys, just behind Larkin. As of now AA is untouchable.

A top prospect on the Pens is a mediocre prospect on many other teams lol what you call a top prospect in Addison and Hallander arent even top 10 prospects on a decent chunk of teams. You dont get a 25 yearold 1/2C that is great defensively for crap

Kessel is also 31 peaked already, a liability, reverted into a powerplay specialist and struggles to produce at even strength. Kessel's best years are behind him he isnt going to get as much as you think lol

Hallander was projected 1st round his whole draft year until he tore his ACL. And Addison was projected 1st/2nd his whole draft year but is in the WHL, so there were reservations. Kessel has scored only 8 PPG this season and if you adjusted his 5v5 scoring, he’s still in the top 10 RW. And until this concussion and injury riddled season, Hornqvist had gone 5 seasons straight with 20 goals. So please stop and do research before going full keyboard warrior.

So a top 6 winger, a top prospect, a 1st, and a 3rd for a 2nd line center/winger. No thanks. Maybe Horny for RNH straight up, but that’s about it.
Why trade all the d depth we just got. I don’t mind trading Maatta, just don’t think Detroit would be the team. They’d probably want Simon though. I think they’d want young and cheap controllable contracts cause they are still a few years away and need to get rid of the franzen and Zetterberg contracts before paying more players (outside of Larkin, Mantha, etc)

@aedoran @Capitalfail67

Yet kessel outscore both of them last year and...

its not just hornqvist for rnh, its also a 3rd and a 1st and one of our top prospects for someone whos more expensive and will likely score the same amount of points or less because he will play on our third line.

Puljujarvi is a bust and a b prospect is nothing and that middlish 1st will be very unlikely to land a prospect like kessel who has a career high of 98 points. That would be a stupid trade.



Shows how much you know. Kessel is set to score his second best season yet.

No he wasnt lol even pre draft rankings had him out of the first.

2. Being tenth and a single even strength point above players like Tuch, Pastrnak, Radulov, Arvidsson who have many less GP isnt something worth writing home about. Even then put him on a team with a middle of the pack PP and he isnt close to a PPG player last season over half of his totals there are a lot of RWs better than Kessel. He doesnt have the value considering he already peaked and is only going to decline.

3. If you know anything at all about hockey you would know why teams stay away from players like Hornqvist, Simmonds, Lucic, Backes, M.Richards etc their bodies age like milk and their production can drop at an instant. Horqnvist over an 82 game season was on pace for only 40pts and with his body breaking down only an idiot would accept that anchor and keep him until he is 36. Both Kessel and Horqnvist arent worth as much as yinzers think age matters and when they are putting up worse seasons than last year and are signed for longer than they should you dont get top assets for those timebombs of a contract.