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Vegas Golden Knights signed Mark Stone (8 Years / $9,500,000 AAV)

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Mar 8 at 4:04
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Mark Stone has signed a new contract with the Vegas Golden Knights.
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LENGTH: 8 YEARS
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
SIGNING TEAM: Vegas Golden KnightsVegas Golden Knights
VALUE: $76,000,000
C.H.% : 11.95
SIGNING DATE: March 8, 2019
SOURCE: @CapFriendly
SEASONCLAUSECAP HIT AAV P. BONUSES S. BONUSES BASE SALARY TOTAL SALARY MINORS SALARY
2019-20NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$9,000,000$3,000,000$12,000,000$12,000,000
2020-21NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$7,000,000$1,000,000$8,000,000$8,000,000
2021-22NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$5,000,000$7,000,000$12,000,000$12,000,000
2022-23NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$7,000,000$1,000,000$8,000,000$8,000,000
2023-24NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$5,000,000$6,000,000$11,000,000$11,000,000
2024-25NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$5,000,000$6,000,000$11,000,000$11,000,000
2025-26NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$5,000,000$3,000,000$8,000,000$8,000,000
2026-27NMC$9,500,000$9,500,000$0$5,000,000$1,000,000$6,000,000$6,000,000
TOTAL$76,000,000$76,000,000$0$48,000,000$28,000,000$76,000,000$76,000,000
CLAUSE SOURCE: CapFriendly
Mar 8 at 4:10
#2
BostonBeat97
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Great player with a maybe too high cap hit at the end of the deal and a nmc for all 8 years... WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.
For right now, this is a great contract for what stone brings. Elite two way first liner at a good cap hit. Lets just hope he stays at the elite level through all 8 years.
He should, but ya never know anymore...
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Mar 8 at 4:13
#3
Oilers, Bruins, Habs
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Last 2 or 3 years could be absolute hell
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Mar 8 at 4:14
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Big John T
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This does not make signing Marner any easier


It was so smart for the Bruins to sign Pastrnak early before he had proven himself and before star salaries escalated as a percentage of the cap
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Mar 8 at 4:19
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Big John T
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It will be really interesting to see how well Vegas does this year.

The expectations are so high, anything short of a repeat will feel like a failure after emptying their cupboards to win now, and Seattle is probably going to try the exact opposite. Hopefully Seattle just vacuums up all the bad contracts and doesn't go after a single star player in UFA.


You heard it here first. Zaitsev and a 1st to Seattle for them to leave the Leafs alone
Mar 8 at 4:20
#6
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Mixed feelings about this one. Great player, but is he going to be worth that through his age-34 season? I don't know.
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Mar 8 at 4:21
#7
Sports and Tacos
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I am a HUGE Stone fan!..... but 8x9.5 is steep...

VGK is going to get 5 elite years of him and then he's going to fall off a cliffff... He'll have a hard time keeping up with the play.....

I compare him to Perry (ish)
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Mar 8 at 4:32
#8
44 Foundation
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He hasn't proven himself yet playing with Vegas. He no doubts has extreme talent but he has yet to adjust to VGK. I also think this will create locker room problems because VGK has so many solid offensive players that some might not be happy being moved down to lower lines like Alex Tuch. Unless VGK plane on trading wild bill, Marchy, or Riley, I think this could be problematic. If you look at Toronto, specifically Kadri, his production has gone way down from where it has been the past two years being a 30+ goal scorer
Mar 8 at 4:50
#9
Go Jets Go!!
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Quoting: tatatavares
This does not make signing Marner any easier


It was so smart for the Bruins to sign Pastrnak early before he had proven himself and before star salaries escalated as a percentage of the cap


Marner is getting more then Stone got with Vegas. Leafs are going to be in cap... you know what.
Mar 8 at 5:01
#10
Dom6Yotes
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Vegas Is Heading Right into Cap Hell
Mar 8 at 5:19
#11
J.L.
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I like it how Vegas has taken advantage of the misfits storyline and become an attractive place for UFAs. As the misfits are regressing the proven vets are already there taking the lead.
Mar 8 at 5:25
#12
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So starting next year Mark Stone will be getting paid the same amount as Nikita Kucherov. Either Mark Stone is grossly overpaid or Nikita Kucherov is grossly underpaid
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Mar 8 at 5:25
#13
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I really don’t get how so many people are calling this a bad signing.
$9.5M AAV for an elite two way player is a great deal nowadays.
Also he’s going to be 34 years old in the last season of the contract. Does nobody realize that many top players play until they are 35 and can maintain at least a top 9 if not top 6 role?
Not to mention the cap will be somewhere around $100M when he’s on his last year or 2.
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Mar 8 at 6:15
#14
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The contract will look good when he is a ppg player but look "Lucic" bad if he falls into below 50 point guy category.
Mar 8 at 6:19
#15
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Quoting: weirfanno1
Marner is getting more then Stone got with Vegas. Leafs are going to be in cap... you know what.


Well it was reported on a shorter deal Stone was a 8-8.5 million $ guy, long term means more $. So if we try to compare Marner to Kucherov, if the Leafs want him for 7-8 years it'll cost them 10+ million, short term deal, 9 million.
Mar 8 at 6:33
#16
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This is a good signing.
Stones 6'4 he's got size, that tends to help players play longer in this league. So I see no problem with him playing into his mid 30s.
Some people want to compare his production to Kuch, but he's a different style player. He's a head ache to deal with on the ice. Vegas knows that.
I'm sure it might cause problems down the road with the cap and all, but this is a good move. It's not like they threw the money after a bad signing.
Mar 8 at 6:41
#17
Habs/Pens fan
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Steep contract however if he can be a PPG 2 way forward for 5 years, this will be pretty good, however this contract is 2 years too long and a million too much.
Mar 8 at 7:08
#18
Crazy Penguins Fan
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Now free agency becomes less interesting.
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Mar 8 at 9:03
#19
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Quoting: tatatavares
This does not make signing Marner any easier


It was so smart for the Bruins to sign Pastrnak early before he had proven himself and before star salaries escalated as a percentage of the cap


They didn't escalate at a percentage of the cap .... they escalated much faster.

How much has the cap gone up since Scheifele signed for for $6,125,000 x 8 years?

The cap was $73,000,000 at the time and it was $79,500,000 last summer.

Star salaries grew by a lot more than 9% in that span.
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Mar 8 at 10:43
#20
Math and Sports
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An 8 year extension for a power forward is getting pretty dicey. grimace

I said yes, cause the cap hit is fair, but that term.. geez.
Mar 8 at 10:58
#21
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Hockey44
He hasn't proven himself yet playing with Vegas. He no doubts has extreme talent but he has yet to adjust to VGK. I also think this will create locker room problems because VGK has so many solid offensive players that some might not be happy being moved down to lower lines like Alex Tuch. Unless VGK plane on trading wild bill, Marchy, or Riley, I think this could be problematic. If you look at Toronto, specifically Kadri, his production has gone way down from where it has been the past two years being a 30+ goal scorer


Quoting: weirfanno1
Marner is getting more then Stone got with Vegas. Leafs are going to be in cap... you know what.


So many folks think Kadri was a 30 goal. scorer because he was great centre. He got a lot of production being a the Left Winger on the PP, replacing Hyman playing with Matthews and Nylander. Not. sure if his playing time on the PP has gone down or reality has set in, Kadri really isn't a 30 goal guy.
Marner contract. In the past guys coming off thier ELCs wouldn't be getting UFA money, which is what Stone got...UFA money. Heck the best player in the league starts his 9.5m contract next year Kucherov. Marner shouldn't be getting 9.5m but for some reason the Leaf like to give out premium contracts to their RFAs. Nylander was overpay at 7m a year and no way Matthews shouldn't be getting paid the as the 2nd highest player in the league. Who can figure these contracts?
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Mar 9 at 12:02
#22
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Quoting: tatatavares
This does not make signing Marner any easier


It was so smart for the Bruins to sign Pastrnak early before he had proven himself and before star salaries escalated as a percentage of the cap


Amazing, isn't it? Pasta, Marchand, and Bergeron all signed long term at incredible bargains. As far as Marner goes, he's obviously much younger than Stone, but Stone is one of the top defensive Forwards in the game and he's about to set career highs offensively, too. Marner should've been extended last summer and now it's gonna cost TOR $9.5M+ AAV. Dubas better get him for the full 8 years at least.
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Mar 9 at 12:05
#23
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Quoting: palhal
So many folks think Kadri was a 30 goal. scorer because he was great centre. He got a lot of production being a the Left Winger on the PP, replacing Hyman playing with Matthews and Nylander. Not. sure if his playing time on the PP has gone down or reality has set in, Kadri really isn't a 30 goal guy.
Marner contract. In the past guys coming off thier ELCs wouldn't be getting UFA money, which is what Stone got...UFA money. Heck the best player in the league starts his 9.5m contract next year Kucherov. Marner shouldn't be getting 9.5m but for some reason the Leaf like to give out premium contracts to their RFAs. Nylander was overpay at 7m a year and no way Matthews shouldn't be getting paid the as the 2nd highest player in the league. Who can figure these contracts?


Dubas opened up Pandora's box when he way overpaid Matthews. In my opinion, Marner is more valuable than Matthews, so where does that leave them? In a cap crunch...that's where.
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Mar 9 at 12:15
#24
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
The contract will look good when he is a ppg player but look "Lucic" bad if he falls into below 50 point guy category.


Stone is 2 years younger than Lucic was when EDM signed him. Stone is one of the best defensive players in the league. Stone will never be a 50 point player playing in the VGK top 6. He could be an 80 point guy who defends other team's best scorers. Btw...Lucic is a 5G and 17 point guy being paid to be a 50-60 point guy who creates time/space for McDavid. Lucic isn't worth $1M let alone $6M. There would've been multiple teams willing to pay $9.5M AAV to Stone had he become a UFA. Wait and see how much Panarin gets.
Mar 9 at 1:10
#25
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Quoting: GeraltofRivia
So starting next year Mark Stone will be getting paid the same amount as Nikita Kucherov. Either Mark Stone is grossly overpaid or Nikita Kucherov is grossly underpaid


I think they're both just paid.
 
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