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Team: 2018-19 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 12, 2019
Published: Mar. 12, 2019
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If columbus misses the playoffs we get a lottery pick.
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2021
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24$79,500,000$60,193,333$0$4,145,000$19,306,667
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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LW
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
C
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
RW, LW
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
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$2,937,500$2,937,500
C
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, C
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UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, RW, LW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, RW
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C
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$759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LW
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$650,000$650,000
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD
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$4,300,000$4,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
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$925,000$925,000
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$360,000$360K)
LD
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$755,000$755,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
RD
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$725,000$725,000
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Mar. 12, 2019 at 10:17 a.m.
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Don't understand what you did here? Have any moves been made?
Mar. 12, 2019 at 10:20 a.m.
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no you dont, its Top 3 protected, so if Columbus wins the lottery they get their own pick
Mar. 12, 2019 at 10:29 a.m.
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no you dont, its Top 3 protected, so if Columbus wins the lottery they get their own pick


Even a top 5 would be great news for Ottawa.... but reality... if that pick gets protected it could turn into the next Ottawa 2019 pick. With so much potential for UFA’s leaving Columbus they could be a dumpster fire next season.
Mar. 12, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
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Even a top 5 would be great news for Ottawa.... but reality... if that pick gets protected it could turn into the next Ottawa 2019 pick. With so much potential for UFA’s leaving Columbus they could be a dumpster fire next season.


It cant be Top 5. Only way Columbus can move up is if it becomes a top 3 pick bc they win a lottery spot and then its protected. Realistically the pick is going to be 14th/15th overall if they do miss the playoffs, thats as best case scenario as they can get for 2019.

What would be interesting is if they could defer it to the 2020 pick instead and roll the dice on the Jackets being bad in 2019-20 seaon is Bob, Panarin, Duchene, Dzingle etc all walk in UFA
Mar. 12, 2019 at 11:08 a.m.
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Quoting: coga16
It cant be Top 5. Only way Columbus can move up is if it becomes a top 3 pick bc they win a lottery spot and then its protected. Realistically the pick is going to be 14th/15th overall if they do miss the playoffs, thats as best case scenario as they can get for 2019.

What would be interesting is if they could defer it to the 2020 pick instead and roll the dice on the Jackets being bad in 2019-20 seaon is Bob, Panarin, Duchene, Dzingle etc all walk in UFA


Or worse. The Blue Jackets UFAs aren’t going to stay if they miss the playoffs. Why would they? That will massively sink the team and the 2020 pick immediately becomes top 10 IMO. But chances are this won’t happen. The lowest I can see the Jackets dropping to is 12th - a 3% chance of winning 3rd overall. Chances are the Jackets will end up at 14th - being passed by Montreal, Arizona, Philly, and Dallas/Minnesota. Still, they’ll get a solid pick and could end up with a better prospect long term if Colorado’s drops to 3rd or 4th.
Mar. 12, 2019 at 11:12 a.m.
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Or worse. The Blue Jackets UFAs aren’t going to stay if they miss the playoffs. Why would they? That will massively sink the team and the 2020 pick immediately becomes top 10 IMO. But chances are this won’t happen. The lowest I can see the Jackets dropping to is 12th - a 3% chance of winning 3rd overall. Chances are the Jackets will end up at 14th - being passed by Montreal, Arizona, Philly, and Dallas/Minnesota. Still, they’ll get a solid pick and could end up with a better prospect long term if Colorado’s drops to 3rd or 4th.


I am not following...who is getting a better prospect if Avs drop to 3rd or 4th? Sens cant be in the Top 3 this year this year, in no situation can they get a Top 3 pick unless they trade for it

Or are you trying to make some point that if Avs dont get Kakko/Hughes with the Sens pick,. that the Sens could have a better long term prospect with the 12th-14th pick with the Jackets selection? I think you might be reaching on that point a bit
Mar. 12, 2019 at 11:19 a.m.
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I am not following...who is getting a better prospect if Avs drop to 3rd or 4th? Sens cant be in the Top 3 this year this year, in no situation can they get a Top 3 pick unless they trade for it


Basically if Colorado selects Cozens or Poskolzin and Ottawa drafts Turcotte/Newhook/Zegras, there is a chance that the Ottawa draft pick could develop into a better player than the Colorado pick. Not saying that will happen, but it is entirely possible and happens almost every draft. Somebody in the top five will end up being honest worse than several of the mid-first picks. Kakko and Hughes aren’t sure things, but they are as close to it as can be expected.
Mar. 12, 2019 at 11:20 a.m.
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Basically if Colorado selects Cozens or Podkolzin and Ottawa drafts Turcotte/Newhook/Zegras, there is a chance that the Ottawa draft pick could develop into a better player than the Colorado pick. Not saying that will happen, but it is entirely possible and happens almost every draft. Somebody in the top five will end up being honest worse than several of the mid-first picks. Kakko and Hughes aren’t sure things, but they are as close to it as can be expected.
Mar. 12, 2019 at 11:25 a.m.
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Basically if Colorado selects Cozens or Poskolzin and Ottawa drafts Turcotte/Newhook/Zegras, there is a chance that the Ottawa draft pick could develop into a better player than the Colorado pick. Not saying that will happen, but it is entirely possible and happens almost every draft. Somebody in the top five will end up being honest worse than several of the mid-first picks. Kakko and Hughes aren’t sure things, but they are as close to it as can be expected.


You can say the same thing for any draft pick, its just such a blanket statement, and at this point a huge reach based on well sometimes guys in the mid of the 1st round end up being better than top picks.
Sure you can get a Rantanen at that stage, or you just end up selecting a Crouse. Until you actual picks are made you cant say Ott could have a better prospect at 12-14th vs 3rd or 4th . They could go off the board...those 3 you named could drop or rise in their draft stock bc we are getting into Junior hockey playoff time and there is always a few guys who get a bump in their rankings bc they have more scouts looking at them during playoff time
Mar. 12, 2019 at 12:24 p.m.
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You can say the same thing for any draft pick, its just such a blanket statement, and at this point a huge reach based on well sometimes guys in the mid of the 1st round end up being better than top picks.
Sure you can get a Rantanen at that stage, or you just end up selecting a Crouse. Until you actual picks are made you cant say Ott could have a better prospect at 12-14th vs 3rd or 4th . They could go off the board...those 3 you named could drop or rise in their draft stock bc we are getting into Junior hockey playoff time and there is always a few guys who get a bump in their rankings bc they have more scouts looking at them during playoff time


And I agree. But here’s a percentage chart that shows what percentage of player flops have occurred in the top 16 from 2004-2014 in the form of number of failures (bottom three D, bottom 6 forwards, and backup goalies)
The top two are pretty solid. The next 7 are about a 50/50, and the next 6 are a 1/4 chance of making an impact. So Ottawa has a 25% of getting the better pick, a 25% chance of getting the worse pick, and a 50% of getting a similar player should Colorado pick 3rd-4th.
1st: 2
2nd: 2
3rd: 4
4th: 6
5th: 4
6th: 7
7th: 6
8th: 8
9th: 4
10th: 10
11th: 9
12th: 6
13th: 9
14th: 8
15th: 7
16th: 8
Mar. 12, 2019 at 12:35 p.m.
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And I agree. But here’s a percentage chart that shows what percentage of player flops have occurred in the top 16 from 2004-2014 in the form of number of failures (bottom three D, bottom 6 forwards, and backup goalies)
The top two are pretty solid. The next 7 are about a 50/50, and the next 6 are a 1/4 chance of making an impact. So Ottawa has a 25% of getting the better pick, a 25% chance of getting the worse pick, and a 50% of getting a similar player should Colorado pick 3rd-4th.
1st: 2
2nd: 2
3rd: 4
4th: 6
5th: 4
6th: 7
7th: 6
8th: 8
9th: 4
10th: 10
11th: 9
12th: 6
13th: 9
14th: 8
15th: 7
16th: 8


Again this is a blanket statement with no real substance. Draft position doesnt mean a player could be a flop looking back in hindsight. multiple teams are drafting in all those slots, did a tea take a guy too early, did a team draft based on positional need vs best player available. I dont see how this correlates to your point

It comes down to Avs recent draft history in the 1st round if its not a Top 2 pick....I would say Rantanen, Jost, Makar, Kaut is a pretty good track record in drafting at 10, 10, 4, and 16.
Mar. 12, 2019 at 3:55 p.m.
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Again this is a blanket statement with no real substance. Draft position doesnt mean a player could be a flop looking back in hindsight. multiple teams are drafting in all those slots, did a tea take a guy too early, did a team draft based on positional need vs best player available. I dont see how this correlates to your point

It comes down to Avs recent draft history in the 1st round if its not a Top 2 pick....I would say Rantanen, Jost, Makar, Kaut is a pretty good track record in drafting at 10, 10, 4, and 16.


Again, I agree. But Chabot, White, Brown, JBD, and Bowers are pretty good for 18, 21, 11, 26, and 28. Almost equal to the Avs players except more than 10 picks average lower. Ottawa has a shot at redeeming itself, even though it is very low.
Mar. 12, 2019 at 4:00 p.m.
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Again, I agree. But Chabot, White, Brown, JBD, and Bowers are pretty good for 18, 21, 11, 26, and 28. Almost equal to the Avs players except more than 10 picks average lower. Ottawa has a shot at redeeming itself, even though it is very low.


I still dont get your point...teams that have drafted well could draft well again with their picks but without knowing who is selected or what the pick values are lets just make a blanket statement that one team could have the better long term prospect based on 0 information to make that claim?
 
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