I like the TvR trade

Of course you do

You and I had a weirdly similar sheet, marner, kap johnsson values as well. Een the draft picks for brown, but i thought Ziatzev was worth more since a lot of good ol hockey men would want him.
I also thought of signing a FA like Stralman or insert a FA right shot D vs assests was the better way.

But this is how Toronto would have to do it right>?

We traded a 2nd to Vegas to get him, so getting a 2nd and 3rd back for him would be hype af haha

Yeah I feel Zaitsev is worth a little bit more than a 6th and 7th. Maybe a 4th and 5th? I really don't know but everyone on here seems to think Zaitsev is worthless so I tried to keep them at bay a little lol.
And I wanted to sign a free agent RHD vs. assets but I had no cap space.
Should be an interesting summer. Lol

I am interested in your honest opinion on TVR. I haven't seen him play a whole lot.

Yeah Zaitzev is underrated on behalf of his contract.
The best part is If he ever re-discovers his offensive upside he could very well play back up to it.

Did I just say and fully mean that Zaitzev is underrated? That is an interesting turn of events.

Marner gets 1mill. more, Johnsson and Kapanen at least 500k more , so interesting summer to say the least D still awful.

Lol I have had the same thoughts lately.
And perhaps he doesn't, I mean, it really would be great to keep him as a 3d pair righty. If it wasn't for that dam contract.

I was in your boat about the $ values until I did some Google research lol. Kase signed sort of recently for 2.6. Almost identical offensive production as kaps and johnsson. And if you Google marner contract comparables you'll find an extremly in depth essay on what Marner will likely get.

Kapanen and Johnsson will not sign under 3M. Too many comparables who took short term bridge deals for over 3M, for Kap and John to not accept under 3M. If you got them at 3M, you best believe its on 1 year bridge deal too probably. They may not break the bank but they aren't going to "do the leafs any favors" either. Maybe they won't play hardball but they aren't accepting lowballs either.

What comparables? Sam Reinhart got 3.6 after 3, 50 point seasons.
Johnson will have 1 40 point and Kappy will have 1 50 point it looks like

That's one comparable. One they'll use. For every one you find, I'll find 3 others of guys making 3M+ who have scored as much or less than what both Kap and Johnsson have this year.

Edit: Can anyone justify Reinhart not leaving money on the table in his deal? Based on performance, taking less than 4M is surprising.

Can you name us a few for future reference and to enlighten us please?

I literally asked what comparables. You have provided none. Please show me all of these players who got over 3 million for 2-3 years with 1 season of 40 and 50 point scoring.
Reinhart also held out. He went to camp without a contract. No evidence he left money on the table.

Apparently he cannot.lol Dip****

Regarding Reinhart, look at Drouin for example. He got 5.5M Now even if that deal was way too much, Reinhart didn't have enough to get 4M? That's why I say, given his production, he caved. He should have got more based simply on production.

As for the other comparables, I mean you can literally find this information yourself guys.....But since you asked:


Anders Lee -3.75Mx4 - 41 points
Jakob Silfverberg - 3.75Mx4 - 39 points
Sven Baertchi - 3.36Mx3 - 35 points
Anthony Mantha -3.3M - 48 points
Andreas Athanasiou - 3Mx2- 33 points
Valeri Nichushkin - 2.95Mx2 - 34 points
Tyler Toffoli - 3.25Mx2 - 49 points
.....

Now add inflation as most of those deals were at least a couple years ago as well as higher tax rate as a Toronto signing for 3M isn't the same take away pay as some other comparables. Kase which was used as an example above had 38 points. Both Jo and Kap are higher than that now in points with 10 games left and a playoff yet to play and Anaheim has less overall tax than Toronto does. So Inflation, tax difference and better production should equal 3M at least. I will concede one thing though, saying that they'd only accept 1 year contracts was probably not realistic. 2 years would be the minimum more than likely.




Yo newbie, don't forget to take your Prozac. Not all of us are living in their mothers basement posting random garbage on the internet. I got **** to do and answering you dip**** questions aren't the top of my priorities.

Lee had played and scored more before signing that contract.
Silfverberg get that deal after 3 seasons putting up 20+ and 30 points.
Baertchi has been putting up 20+ points in the NHL for 4 years at the time he signed that contract.
Mantha had been playing for 2 seasons and put up 36 and 50 points in that time.
AA has been putting up 20-40 points for 4 years before signing.
Val had two 35 point seasons and had to be paid to be brought back from the KHL (which does have a tangible cost, look at Namestikovs contract).
Toffoli put up 2 seasons at 30 and 50 points.

You issue here, is putting kappy and mango vs players with more than 1 year in the league. Players get paid that AFTER they have stuck for a few years and put up those points. Mango is on pace for 1, 40 point season, kappy is on pace for 1, 50 point season. You are comparing apples to oranges here. They will get significantly less than players who have played in the NHL and put up points like these for a few years.

If Kappy had been in the NHL doing 25, 40, 50 (<--- this year) and we had to sign him, then I would agree with you wholeheartedly, but neither of them have, and there is a reason why you cant find players with only 1 season putting up those numbers as a comparable (they don't get paid).

Yeah, I'm afraid those aren't comparables. We're still waiting for you to back yourself up kiddo.
I was living on my own when you were in diapers by the way. So man up and admit you were wrong or stfu and gtfo.

Anders Lee:
2012-13 New York Islanders NHL 2 1 1 2
2013-14 New York Islanders NHL 22 9 5 14
2014-15 New York Islanders NHL 76 25 16 41 (Signed a contract 3.75M)


Mark Stone:
2012-13 Ottawa Senators NHL 4 0 0 0
2013-14 Ottawa Senators NHL 19 4 4 8
2014-15 Ottawa Senators NHL 80 26 38 64 (signed a contract 3.5M)

So yes it does happen. Unless the 23 and 24 games they played previously made all the difference?? Kapanen played over 40 previously.

Once again, those players I mentioned above in the original comment all had less (or will have less than) both Kap and/or Johnsson do in production now to make up for the lack of years Kap and Johnsson have but they're all the same age range. Also I don't think that scoring 20 points the previous season gives such an increased validation to a player negotiation. Its not like he "proved" anything substantial with it. (Mantha and Toffoli can be the outliers since with Kap's injury and Johnsson current production they may not reach those guys totals anymore)

Anyways dude, arguing over 0.15M difference is pointless. Im not saying they'll get 3.9M, just think they'll get at least 3M. I'm taking multiple factors into consideration like inflation due to increased cap. Higher tax implications in Toronto than many other places where contracts above were signed for comparables. Etc.

At the end of the day, it'll also come down to the negotiation. Anders Lee above got more than Stone did in the same year with almost 25 less points.....go figure.

Lol so being an old geezer makes you right? Haah how about you, who haven't brought anything to the debate yet, stop hiding behind Random2152 and do some dirty work yourself?

I've already done the dirty work over and over and over and over again and again. And I don't need to prove anything to you. But it's sure been fun watching you dig a hole and waste your time fuming rather than realizing you are wrong and learning from it and moving on. Have fun living life that way. Lol.

Lmao simply stating something doesn't make it true. But if you remember, you are the one who interjected into the conversation, not the other way around. I'm neither fuming nor wrong but continue dancing around any accusations. Looks like you are the one who is digging yourself a hole. I'm glad its working out for you.

"Apparently he cannot.lol Dip****" - He who has yet to do anything other than say he did something. Bravo genius!

He is definitely a solid 3rd pairing guy.
He isn't going to score many goals but he is a good defensive defenseman who knows the game.
I wish he would use his size to his advantage a little more though.

Lol how cute that you haven't moved on yet