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When Skinner walks

Created by: nhldeadline2
Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 14, 2019
Published: Mar. 19, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Skinner is going to test FA, hopefully he will choose to stay. I'd still look to make these trades if he signs in BUF.

3rd times the charm with Islanders FAs. Doesn't seem like he's intent on leaving the islanders, but would sure be a nice consolation.

I think Risto for RNH is almost an even swap.

TBL trade clears up about $10-15 million for the Bolts depending on what McCabe signs for. Sergachev would've eaten up about another $4-5 next year for them.

I'm looking to Florida to add Hoffman if they're in a position to sell and Olofsson/Thompson/Smith aren't producing in the top 9.

Beyond 2020

Callahan/Bogosian/Wilson/Sheary/Nelson = 14.3 mill off the books

Estimated contracts:
Reinhart 6 x $7,500,000
Thompson 2 x $1,200,000
Mittelstadt 3 x $3,500,000
Oloffson 2 x $1,000,000
Montour 5 x $5,500,000
Pilut 2 x $3,500,000
Sergachev 3 x $4,000,000

They'll have about 2 mill left in space even if the cap doesn't increase, so this plan still works with Skinner signing for up to 9 mill
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$800,000
2$800,000
3$870,000
2$700,000
2$700,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,100,000
2$1,100,000
2$2,300,000
2$900,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$4,700,000
5$7,200,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. 2019 6th round pick (WSH)
2.
BUF
  1. 2020 6th round pick (WPG)
3.
BUF
  1. 2020 6th round pick (SJS)
OTT
  1. Sobotka, Vladimír
  2. 2020 5th round pick (BUF)
4.
BUF
  1. 2019 4th round pick (BUF)
PIT
    Rights to RFA Johan Larsson
    5.
    BUF
    1. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    2. 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)
    6.
    TBL
    1. McCabe, Jake [RFA Rights]
    2. Nylander, Alexander
    3. Sheary, Conor ($1,500,000 retained)
    4. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
    5. 2020 4th round pick (BUF)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2019
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the WSH
    2020
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the WPG
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the DAL
    2021
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the STL
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    2022
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    Logo of the BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$83,000,000$75,503,333$0$5,532,500$7,496,667

    Roster

    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $7,200,000$7,200,000
    LW
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $10,000,000$10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $767,500$767,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
    $5,250,000$5,250,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
    $4,450,000$4,450,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $3,650,000$3,650,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
    $5,800,000$5,800,000
    RW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    $4,700,000$4,700,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $3,387,500$3,387,500
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,300,000$1,300,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $2,300,000$2,300,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
    $894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $812,500$812,500
    RD
    UFA - 1

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    Mar. 19, 2019 at 6:58 p.m.
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    Tampa says nope!
    Mar. 19, 2019 at 7:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: hullabaloo86
    Tampa says nope!


    Reason?
    Mar. 19, 2019 at 7:17 p.m.
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    Reason?


    They give up too many core pieces for an unproven prospect, a 3rd line D with probably not a whole heap of upside, and a 3rd line at best forward. Losing Miller and Killorn for essentially Sheary (not counting Nylander as unproven) and a speccy 2nd rounder favours Sabres. Sergachev is 20 and a jet. He almost demands a 1st rounder on his own. No way McCabe covers that and with Stralman and Girardi potentially on the way Sergachev, Hedman and McDonough are the D-core.
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    Mar. 19, 2019 at 7:50 p.m.
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    They give up too many core pieces for an unproven prospect, a 3rd line D with probably not a whole heap of upside, and a 3rd line at best forward. Losing Miller and Killorn for essentially Sheary (not counting Nylander as unproven) and a speccy 2nd rounder favours Sabres. Sergachev is 20 and a jet. He almost demands a 1st rounder on his own. No way McCabe covers that and with Stralman and Girardi potentially on the way Sergachev, Hedman and McDonough are the D-core.


    First thing I'd say is I went off the trade of Risto + a 2nd for JT/Sergachev/Cally that a lot of people think is fair. I would take McCabe + Nylander for Risto from either side if the situation was right.

    TBL clear up almost 20 mill in cap with what I see Sergachev signing for next year.

    The value I've seen on Killorn has been between a 3rd and a 5th from Tampa fans, and Sheary replaces his production for this season. That value seems low to me, but it's coming from TBL posts.

    I'd say Sheary's rental value is borderline a 1st, probably a little less in the off-season.

    McCabe is a very solid 3-5 dman, and yes he is probably a guy who is who he is (a very solid bottom half d-man).

    You can't just not count Nylander (unless you're specifically referring to the hole in the roster, then I get ya) 20 year old top prospects carry a lot of value. Should probably note that he's looked good in this call up.

    I think you could talk me into making the 2nd round pick a 1st and a 4th.
    Mar. 19, 2019 at 8:10 p.m.
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    First thing I'd say is I went off the trade of Risto + a 2nd for JT/Sergachev/Cally that a lot of people think is fair. I would take McCabe + Nylander for Risto from either side if the situation was right.

    TBL clear up almost 20 mill in cap with what I see Sergachev signing for next year.

    The value I've seen on Killorn has been between a 3rd and a 5th from Tampa fans, and Sheary replaces his production for this season. That value seems low to me, but it's coming from TBL posts.

    I'd say Sheary's rental value is borderline a 1st, probably a little less in the off-season.

    McCabe is a very solid 3-5 dman, and yes he is probably a guy who is who he is (a very solid bottom half d-man).

    You can't just not count Nylander (unless you're specifically referring to the hole in the roster, then I get ya) 20 year old top prospects carry a lot of value. Should probably note that he's looked good in this call up.

    I think you could talk me into making the 2nd round pick a 1st and a 4th.


    I think that Risto trade that keeps coming up is madness. Miller + Callahan for Risto is fair, anything further (especially Sergachev) from Tampa is ludacrous. Agreed if Risto was swapped for McCabe & Nylander then I would expect Miller and Cally.

    Tampa is already clearing close to 15m with the 4 D that are UFAs. Maybe not all will go but if you add Cally they arent that deep in the dwang and dont need to clean out Miller and Killorn unless there is a hockey trade to be made. Killorn is blood and guts and entering the twilight on a potential cup winning team that doesnt need to move him for cap space.

    So the rationale I am starting to see is McCabe + 2nd for Miller, Sheary for Killorn and Nylander for Sergachev. Cally thrown in for cap relief? If this is true I think Tampa still loses on Miller and Sergachev based on proof. Even though they off load Cally its bad for Sabres cap situation, considering we have Okposo and the rest but he only has one year left so not urgent.

    Sheary rental borderline first???? Sorry but how?

    The only way I see this trade working is if Sergachev and the Sabres second are taken out of the picture. McCabe + Sheary + Nylander for Miller + Callahan + Killorn.
    Mar. 19, 2019 at 10:30 p.m.
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    Edited Mar. 19, 2019 at 11:04 p.m.
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    I think that Risto trade that keeps coming up is madness. Miller + Callahan for Risto is fair, anything further (especially Sergachev) from Tampa is ludacrous. Agreed if Risto was swapped for McCabe & Nylander then I would expect Miller and Cally.

    Yeah i mean we just disagree on the value of Risto and that means in turn Nylander and McCabe. Risto for Miller alone is insane to me. You have to pay to get rid of a cap hit like Cally's, and it doesn't seem like you're factoring that in. Teams in Tampa's situation have to be proactive about their cap or they'll end up in trouble. They've drafted and developed too well.

    Tampa is already clearing close to 15m with the 4 D that are UFAs. Maybe not all will go but if you add Cally they arent that deep in the dwang and dont need to clean out Miller and Killorn unless there is a hockey trade to be made. Killorn is blood and guts and entering the twilight on a potential cup winning team that doesnt need to move him for cap space.

    Vas($7+/year), Point ($9+/year), Sergachev ($4+/year) are going to cost at least $20 mill after next year. Cernak another $2-4. They are loaded and have guys ready to step up.. I wouldn't want to move Killorn either, but every other TBL post is for a 3rd-5th so I'm using that as his value.

    So the rationale I am starting to see is McCabe + 2nd for Miller, Sheary for Killorn and Nylander for Sergachev. Cally thrown in for cap relief? If this is true I think Tampa still loses on Miller and Sergachev based on proof. Even though they off load Cally its bad for Sabres cap situation, considering we have Okposo and the rest but he only has one year left so not urgent.

    Sheary for Killorn + (+ because of the 3mill extra cap space)
    McCabe, Nylander, 2nd (or a 1st and 4th) for Miller, Sergachev, Callahan (who the Bolts have to chip in extra to get rid of)

    Sheary rental borderline first???? Sorry but how?

    Yeah sorry that comment was vague, and this isn't a deadline deal. To clarify, I meant as a deadline deal they're going to talk about a 1st. I think his value is pretty much = to Killorn without factoring in cap hit, except in this deal he's coming $3mill cheaper. People do crazy things for goal scoring wingers at the deadline, and the Sabres have the ability to retain half his hit.


    The only way I see this trade working is if Sergachev and the Sabres second are taken out of the picture. McCabe + Sheary + Nylander for Miller + Callahan + Killorn.

    Like I said before, I'm not trading Risto (McCabe + Nylander) for Miller + Callahan

    Mar. 19, 2019 at 11:37 p.m.
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    Good discussion. Do you think GM's do this kind of debate/diligence? I doubt Jarmo Kekalainen did/does Sticking Out Tongue

    I'm starting to like the idea of a 1st round pick because Tampa will be without if they win the cup as its conditional (NYR 2nd from the McDonough/Miller trade becomes a 1st). And that would mean they have no pick until the 3rd round as it stands. I hope I have that right.

    I think your reasoning is sound. If the first replaces the 2nd I think it might work. I like your rationale looking beyond 2020. The D core would still be solid with Hedman, McD, McC and Cernak. Plus they have Foote in the system.

    I am making this trade with you on the basis the Buffalo second becomes a 1st. Alternatively, I remove McCabe and Nylander and throw in Risto. Sabres keep a prospect and remove an underperforming metronome defender. Deal?
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    Mar. 19, 2019 at 11:50 p.m.
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    Good discussion. Do you think GM's do this kind of debate/diligence? I doubt Jarmo Kekalainen did/does Sticking Out Tongue

    I'm starting to like the idea of a 1st round pick because Tampa will be without if they win the cup as its conditional (NYR 2nd from the McDonough/Miller trade becomes a 1st). And that would mean they have no pick until the 3rd round as it stands. I hope I have that right.

    I think your reasoning is sound. If the first replaces the 2nd I think it might work. I like your rationale looking beyond 2020. The D core would still be solid with Hedman, McD, McC and Cernak. Plus they have Foote in the system.

    I am making this trade with you on the basis the Buffalo second becomes a 1st. Alternatively, I remove McCabe and Nylander and throw in Risto. Sabres keep a prospect and remove an underperforming metronome defender. Deal?


    haha yeah good talk smile . If Risto is still on the team I'd be good with that. The Bolts trade does a lot more to help them than the RNH trade. I'll change it to a 1st rounder but leave the rest for now in case anyone else cares to chime in.
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    Mar. 20, 2019 at 3:23 a.m.
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    The penguins don't want or need Larsson.
    I think you are over valuing players here.
    Mar. 20, 2019 at 8:06 a.m.
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    Dont even entertain that idea!
     
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