Just because you put up points in the AHL means absolutely nothing. There are tons of PPG AHL players that will never play an NHL game in their Career.
Once again, points don't mean everything.
Correct - but they do give you higher POTENTIAL ....
Rosen is already 25, so he's about as good as he's gonna get. He's likely a #4 at best.
He's not gonna ever be a #4. If you aren't good enough to play top 6 minutes in the NHL at 24, chances are, you aren't ever going to become a full time NHLer
Just because you put up points in the AHL means absolutely nothing. There are tons of PPG AHL players that will never play an NHL game in their Career.
Once again, points don't mean everything.
Correct .... but his points aren't the reason he's one of the best defense in the AHL .... it's his whole game.
The points just underscore the fact that if he makes the NHL he has top 4 potential .... and we're talking about potential.
If Montreal drafts a player 2nd overall because he had 100 points in the OHL .... do people say he has top line potential .... or do they say OHL points mean nothing ?
1 season with 1 of the best forward groups in the league doesn't make him a #1, it also doesn't help that his TOI is around 23 minutes, usually around what a #2-3 gets, it shows babcock doesnt trust him like a #1, and rightfully so, hes average at best defensively and there are mamy Dmen in the league that are better than rielly but arent even the best on their team
He's not gonna ever be a #4. If you aren't good enough to play top 6 minutes in the NHL at 24, chances are, you aren't ever going to become a full time NHLer
You are correct that undrafted free agents who don't establish themselves early are rarely much. But they are a unique group with the odd gem and Rosen has had consistent growth in his game over the years. There are always the great exceptions (rafalski, Dan Boyle, etc), but realistically I think he is comfortably looking like an an NHL defenseman (read as someone who will have a few years of NHL saralies), and has a pretty decent shot at being a second pairing defenseman. I think expecting more than that is nuts, and hoping for more than that is likely dreaming.
Correct .... but his points aren't the reason he's one of the best defense in the AHL .... it's his whole game.
The points just underscore the fact that if he makes the NHL he has top 4 potential .... and we're talking about potential.
If Montreal drafts a player 2nd overall because he had 100 points in the OHL .... do people say he has top line potential .... or do they say OHL points mean nothing ?
Quoting: drewjenks
Correct .... but his points aren't the reason he's one of the best defense in the AHL .... it's his whole game.
The points just underscore the fact that if he makes the NHL he has top 4 potential .... and we're talking about potential.
If Montreal drafts a player 2nd overall because he had 100 points in the OHL .... do people say he has top line potential .... or do they say OHL points mean nothing ?
OHL points mean nothing. The teams don't look at a players offensive production in juniors to determine a players production. They look at everything else
OHL points mean nothing. The teams don't look at a players offensive production in juniors to determine a players production. They look at everything else
You are using my logic, but it's not the same situation
TBH your logic just seems to imply that nothing that happens outside the NHL matters (in predicting NHL performance).
That's not true.
IF Rosen is (or becomes) an NHL level defender and earns a spot in the league ....
His AHL production indicates that he can produce points at a top 4 level in the NHL (possibly even top 2 level).
No one is guaranteed to reach the potential of their skill set though .... so I don't know if Rosen will be a top 4 NHL defensmen (or even stick in the NHL at all).
But he definitely has the potential to be one ... since which is all I ever claimed.
And being 25 doesn't erase his potential ... he's a late bloomer that vastly improved over the last 2 years (opposite of a Griffen Reinhart situation).
TBH your logic just seems to imply that nothing that happens outside the NHL matters (in predicting NHL performance).
That's not true.
IF Rosen is (or becomes) an NHL level defender and earns a spot in the league ....
"His AHL production indicates that he can produce points at a top 4 level in the NHL (possibly even top 2 level)."
No one is guaranteed to reach the potential of their skill set though .... so I don't know if Rosen will be a top 4 NHL defensmen (or even stick in the NHL at all).
But he definitely has the potential to be one ... since which is all I ever claimed.
And being 25 doesn't erase his potential ... he's a late bloomer that vastly improved over the last 2 years (opposite of a Griffen Reinhart situation).
His AHL production indicates that he can produce points at a top 4 level in the NHL (possibly even top 2 level).
Christ, can't wait until Matt Taormina starts winning consecutive Norris's. That will be cool.
There isn't even an argument here. Nothing he does makes me think he will ever become a quality NHL defensemen.
In 3 Games this year
1G 0A 1P -2
Damn. you might just be right. His 46 AHL points means he is next in line for the Norris!
Juulsen = 44 NHL Games = 2 goals / 8 points Mete = 119 NHL Games = 0 goals / 20 points
See? Both of these guys are guaranteed busts.
Not the guy with 3 GP ...... LMAO.
Your logic
I agree with you that the Leafs are depending on Rosen to make the team next year. With Reilly, Muzzin and Rosen at LHD....Leafs just might be OK. Who knows maybe the Leafs solidify at RHD and Dermot stays at LHD. And if Rosen isn't good enough to stay a Leaf his 750,000 contract doesn't affect the cap
Gee, why all this hatred by Hab fans for Rosen. It's not like the Leafs are paying him 4.625m to play in Laval.....as a premier UFA signing.
His AHL production indicates that he can produce points at a top 4 level in the NHL (possibly even top 2 level).
Christ, can't wait until Matt Taormina starts winning consecutive Norris's. That will be cool.
There isn't even an argument here. Nothing he does makes me think he will ever become a quality NHL defensemen.
In 3 Games this year
1G 0A 1P -2
Damn. you might just be right. His 46 AHL points means he is next in line for the Norris!
Quoting: palhal
I agree with you that the Leafs are depending on Rosen to make the team next year. With Reilly, Muzzin and Rosen at LHD....Leafs just might be OK. Who knows maybe the Leafs solidify at RHD and Dermot stays at LHD. And if Rosen isn't good enough to stay a Leaf his 750,000 contract doesn't affect the cap
Gee, why all this hatred by Hab fans for Rosen. It's not like the Leafs are paying him 4.625m to play in Laval.....as a premier UFA signing.
HabsForEver is clearly upset because the Habs missed the playoffs and will miss out on a top 10 pick.
We should probably give him a break .... Price had a great season and it still wasn't enough to punch their ticket.
He's won't be this good for many of his next 8 years .... neither will Weber .... but they'll be stuck with the $20,000,000 until their both 40 .... and they don't have any top prospects.
Juulsen = 44 NHL Games = 2 goals / 8 points Mete = 119 NHL Games = 0 goals / 20 points
See? Both of these guys are guaranteed busts.
Not the guy with 3 GP ...... LMAO.
Your logic
Like my logic says. Point production means absolutely nothing. These guys are both in the NHL because they are capable of it. Their jobs aren't to produce points. It's to play defense. Your logic is that since Rosen has put up good points in the AHL, it will translate to the NHL. It has not done that. It's only 3 games because that's all that he has played.
I agree with you that the Leafs are depending on Rosen to make the team next year. With Reilly, Muzzin and Rosen at LHD....Leafs just might be OK. Who knows maybe the Leafs solidify at RHD and Dermot stays at LHD. And if Rosen isn't good enough to stay a Leaf his 750,000 contract doesn't affect the cap
Gee, why all this hatred by Hab fans for Rosen. It's not like the Leafs are paying him 4.625m to play in Laval.....as a premier UFA signing.
I have no reason to hate Rosen. I could care less about him. I would take him on Laval because he can put up points.
HabsForEver is clearly upset because the Habs missed the playoffs and will miss out on a top 10 pick.
We should probably give him a break .... Price had a great season and it still wasn't enough to punch their ticket.
He's won't be this good for many of his next 8 years .... neither will Weber .... but they'll be stuck with the $20,000,000 until their both 40 .... and they don't have any top prospects.
So lets give him a pass on this one.
Believe it or not, I didn't want the Habs to make the playoffs. I would rather take my chances in the draft lottery and perfect the team next season. Everything else you said in that statement was obviously just a troll, so it doesn't warrant a response.
Nawh. Alzner has definitely benefited Laval. Apparently he is a big leader down there. Rosen would add some good depth to Laval's defense.
"Leader" is just a word that fans use for justifying having a player who has no useful purpose but eats up cap and takes roster spot from a more deserving player. Rocket has the third worse record in the conference with maybe the highest paid roster
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