IMO Mackinnon at 6M is of way more value than Matthews at 11.4 You could even make an argument that Mackinnon is the better player... If this were to actually ever happen (which like you said I don't think it would) it would be a one for one deal straight up. That's a big overpay by Colorado.

How does Matthews have more value than MacKinnon???

Toronto would definitely have to add+++ in this scenario!

Yeah Colorado isnt adding Makar and theyre doing Toronto a favor so Toronto needs to compensate

BIG no.
Colorado might not even do a 1 for 1 (Mack for Mathews). Macks production/value at 6.3m is far better than Mathews at 11+. Not to mention Makar is the Avs BEST prospect.

Because of what I explained. Mackinnon at 6 cap hit means you can have Mackinnon plus a 5 million dollar player for the same cap hit as Matthews at 11. And Mackinnon is just as good, if not better than Matthews. And like i stated he costs half as much. Therefor Mackinnons value is way higher. His points and goals per million spent on him smashes matthews.

Not to mention you would destroy the teams locker room chemistry upside down. Mack plays well with so many key pieces on this team, not to mention hes arguably the most liked guy in the locker room and in the fanbase.

I would argue he's the third best player in the league behind Mcdavid, Crosby.

Colorado can take Marleau and Zaitsev as well …..

Yeah, I know Mackinnon has more value.

I am wondering why @MG1986 thinks Matthew is worth Mackinnon, their best prospect and 1st hahahahah

If anythign it should be Matthew, Liljegren (or Sandin), and a 1st for Mackinnon (EDIT)

You can't just "take Marleau". Why would he waive for COL?

Cant find the "Dislike" button for this one lol

The Leafs aren't exactly in cap hell because they can trade assets for value....even if it's not all 100% playing value. Unfortunately the Leaf have got themselves in a worse cap situation than they should be by overpaying Matthews and Nylander....plus the Marleau 3rd year.
Colorado says no easily. Matthews for McKinnion...now that might be closer to a trade, but even at that the 5m difference gots Avs another good player.

Avs say hell no. I wouldnt trade MacK for Matthews 1 for 1. This trade is so lopsided

Ooo 2 cap dumps, Colorado is definitely sold then

Hey @ThatGuy. Not only was this AGM just for fun, but I wanted to see what people thought. My rational is simple, and it was really a compare and contrast situation. When MacKinnon, at Matthew's age, was no where near the player that Matthews' is currently. Yes, they are only 3 years apart. And yes, MacKinnon is only at the ripe age of 23, but you consider projections and stats when analyzing players for trades, then all this has to be considered. I weighed a 1-for-1 hockey trade option, but I still think Matthews is by far the better scorer, and you pay for goals. The comparison between contracts makes things a little wonky, but if I am the Leafs, that's what it would take to get Matthews.

@MG1986 i get where you are coming from, this has been a fun conversation/debate. the fact of the matter is that we live in a salary cap era and Mack @ 6.3mil for 4 more years is WAY more value than Mathews @11.6mil for 5 years. you can almost have TWO MacKinnons for the price of ONE Mathews dude. No one is saying Mathews wont be a better player than MacKinnon, we are just saying MacKinnons contract VALUE makes him a better option right now. If you compare goals over the last 3 seasons, Mathews has 111 to MacKinnons 94 (the gap isnt that far)

Hey @McRanteskog. I feel like it's more Avs fans saying what you are saying, but I suppose that's neither here nor there. In order to properly judge this deal, I think you need to put contracts aside. Something to consider as well, what will MacKinnon be looking for in his next contract assuming he continues the trend he is on? It's got to be more than Tavares', is more than Matthews' current deal? Is it more than McDavid's? It's a tough thing to debate because there will always be circumstances (like current AAV), that add unnecessary, yet important factors, into any deal.

For me, in addition to a fun discussion, I thought about the possibility of Matthews playing with Jack Hughes next season. It's a nice thought.

1) MacKinnon is only 2 years older.
2) Where do you predict Matthews to be in 2 years??? Mackinnon pretty much has back to back 100 points season with 40 Goals. What's Matthew going to be able to do?
3) And even if Matthew is slightly more productive than Mackinnon, you're paying him 5Million dollars more.
4) also, I personally think Matthew is a liability on Defence.

Therefor I stand with my purposed trade of Matthew, Liljegren (or Sandin), and a 1st for Mackinnon

You undervaluing Cap space.

As an Avs fan, I can honestly say that Matthews, Liljegren (or Sandin), and a 1st for Mackinnon (is probably an overpayment to get MacKinnon). It is impossible to judge what Liljegren or Sandin's value is right now.
Hear me out. MacKinnons PEAK VALUE will be the next 1-2 years as his contract is an absolute steal. I would argue that a deep playoff contending team (ie. maybe a CGY, WPG, WSH, TBL etc) SHOULD overpay to get MacKinnon now as it would probably get you to a cup final (taking into consideration what you would have to give up to get him) but i think all teams involved would be scared to pull the trigger in case the trade backfires in their face.

As an Avs fan, if TOR offered you that, you'd take it?? Noooo wayyyyy. As you said, the Mackinnon contract is probably the best contract in the league. 6M shouldn't get you 100 points lol

But I get what you're saying. I think hypothetically speaking, it's maybe fair value if you're basing it off skill. But theoretically speaking. even with what I proposed, Avs would never make that trade.. MacKinnon is literately untouchable. I Obviously I don't watch much Avs game, so I can be way off.

On the other hand, I think, for the right price, Toronto would trade Matthews and his contract. The Untouchables on TML right now are Marner and maybe Reilly.

Honestly man, who the hell knows right? lol
Personally, MacKinnon is untouchable in my mind so any trade involving MacKinnon, nevers seems possible lol

Good point