Trading Risto would be a mistake

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Created by: CuyahogaKid

Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 2, 2019

Published: Apr. 2, 2019

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Ristolainen does not have the value Sabre fans believe he has. If he gets traded, he's getting a mid to late first round pick, and either a young roster player or prospects. He's not getting Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in return.

The big issue I want to know is who is playing Ristolainen's minutes in two years when Bogosian is gone? We have limited organizational depth on the right side, and even if you move Dahlin to the right side, you need to hope fan pray Pilut can step up as right now he is our only prospect in the system with top four potential.

We've also needed defenseman that can generate offense from the blueline for years and we finally have three of them.....and they are all cost controlled for two more years. The Sabres have not had two 40 point defenseman since 2005 Teppo Numminen and Brian Campbell, and It's happened one other time in franchise history during the 1982 with John Van Boxmeer, and Lindy Ruff.

The defense could actually shape up to be an organizational strength just like a Nashville if they get a coach who knows how to put his players in a position to succeed, and someone who understands you can't play Ristolainen #1 defenseman minutes. He's not a #1 defenseman. He's a big, offensive minded top four/second pair D who can provide a big shot on the Power Play. He's not Seth Jones, and they will not get the value Seth Jones got either.

Give him a lesser role, let Dahlin and Montour eventually take on more minutes. Ristolainen needs to be playing around 20 minutes a night, deployed in more offensive situations, PP time.

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Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:36 p.m.

nicktriple

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You argue that you can't trade Risto because we don't have anyone to play his minutes and in the same breath say he needs to play less minutes.
Give his right side minutes to Borgen, Montour, and Nelson and watch the Sabres be just fine.

Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:38 p.m.

ThatGuy

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That plus-minus doesn't worry you?? shakes head

The risk is - the more you wait, the more his value drops.

Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:40 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Trade him ASAP

Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:47 p.m.

Riley816

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Yep. They traded for Montour to replace his minutes. Two or 3 seasons and the 6 or 7 dmen they just drafted will be ready.

Is there a situation Ristolainen can succeed?? The defensive side of the red line seems to be his weakness. He is pretty good at fishing the puck out of the net after the other team scores.

Pilut can replace him on PP two.

Get Skinner signed. Trade Risto for any scorer, even if you have to retain money, bury Hunwick. Bogo and Scandella are UFA after next year. Dahlin, Montour, McCabe, Pilut and Borgen are your top 5.

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Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:53 p.m.

CuyahogaKid

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Quoting: nicktriple

Montour should carry more minutes
Borgen maybe can be an option....Nelson is fringe NHL’er.

Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:55 p.m.

CuyahogaKid

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Edited Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.

Quoting: ThatGuy

That plus-minus doesn't worry you?? shakes head

The risk is - the more you wait, the more his value drops.

Quoting: nicktriple

Quoting: ThatGuy

That plus-minus doesn't worry you?? shakes head

The risk is - the more you wait, the more his value drops.

Drew Doughty is a -34 and Buffalo has been way worse over the second half of this season. No I’m not worried and his +/- because he’s playing the toughest minutes on the team on the worst team in the NHL.....BY FAR the worst team this season in the NHL....we are even worse than Ottawa in the second half of the season.

Is Ristolainen Drew Doughty? No. But that tends to happen when your a second pair defenseman on a poorly coached team, asked to play 25 minutes a night and against the toughest competition

Apr. 2, 2019 at 4:58 p.m.

CuyahogaKid

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Quoting: Riley816

You can’t assume players are ready until they actually get here and can actually are performing. Mittelstadt was no where near ready to replace even half of Ryan O’Reilly’s minutes

Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.

CuyahogaKid

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Quoting: nicktriple

I mean I we don’t have another player capable of playing at least 20 minutes a night in the top four on the right side...

Yes it’s possible to play Montour and Dahlin more next year and play Ristolainen #3-4 minutes with PP time

Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:06 p.m.

CuyahogaKid

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Quoting: Riley816

Also if Ristolainen is as bad as you say he is, then why would another team want to give something up for him? He does have value but it is on the lower end right now anyways.

we are not getting a top six center or forward for Rasmus Ristolainen. He does not have Seth Jones value right now. He’s a big RHD who provides offense and that carries value but teams are not trading for Ristolainen to be a franchise defenseman, they are doing it to add a quality #3-4 D for the second pair and bolster their D units.

You’ll get a mid to late first and maybe a middle six forward and/ or prospects

Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.

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A mistake for the other team who would want to acquire him

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Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:11 p.m.

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CuyahogaKid

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Quoting: Jack_

A mistake for the other team who would want to acquire him

Well then that’s the point right there. If he’s truly perceived as that bad, why would anyone want to give up the house to get him. He does some value, but some people think you can William Nylander for him. I’d rather keep him and try to get his value up

Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:17 p.m.

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Quoting: Ristoeichel

You can’t assume players are ready until they actually get here and can actually are performing. Mittelstadt was no where near ready to replace even half of Ryan O’Reilly’s minutes

He wasn't supposed to...

Apr. 2, 2019 at 5:27 p.m.

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NickC1988

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Quoting: nicktriple

He's arguing that the Sabres don't have a RD to play 2nd pair minutes like Risto and he is correct. Montour can handle the top pairing, and Ristolainen can still play, but needs to be sheltered a little bit more. Borgen has zero NHL experience and Nelson is a minor leaguer on most teams. Risto is an integral piece Buffalo should not move.

Apr. 2, 2019 at 6:49 p.m.

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Shibbal18

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Agreed. Housley seems to be awful with roster management imo. Risto is a scapegoat

Apr. 2, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Agreed. Housley seems to be awful with roster management imo. Risto is a scapegoat

2 things can be true at the same time.

Housley can be a bad coach and ristolainen can be in need of a change of scenery

Apr. 2, 2019 at 7:52 p.m.

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

2 things can be true at the same time.

Housley can be a bad coach and ristolainen can be in need of a change of scenery

In your opinion. I never said that wasnt the case though

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