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This only works if Trouba is willing to sign here.

Still a little over the cap
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Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:04 a.m.
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Unless I knew 100% that Trouba was willing to sign in Toronto, then I wouldn't take that chance to acquire his rights. It's not like he's been quiet in the past about wanting to play in the United States/closer to home. Obviously, as an RFA, it's not really his choice. However, the last thing the Leafs need, again (mind you) is a stand off with a top RFA that leaks through into the first half of the season.
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Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:08 a.m.
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Unless I knew 100% that Trouba was willing to sign in Toronto, then I wouldn't take that chance to acquire his rights. It's not like he's been quiet in the past about wanting to play in the United States/closer to home. Obviously, as an RFA, it's not really his choice. However, the last thing the Leafs need, again (mind you) is a stand off with a top RFA that leaks through into the first half of the season.


100% agree

As my explanation says above

"This only works if Trouba is willing to sign here.

Still a little over the cap"
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:09 a.m.
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Quoting: MG1986
Unless I knew 100% that Trouba was willing to sign in Toronto, then I wouldn't take that chance to acquire his rights. It's not like he's been quiet in the past about wanting to play in the United States/closer to home. Obviously, as an RFA, it's not really his choice. However, the last thing the Leafs need, again (mind you) is a stand off with a top RFA that leaks through into the first half of the season.


Exactly. If he is willing to be part of the leafs long-term, I would do it instantly. There were some issues but IF Dubas or Shanny can get some things right for him and his family (you know, there are some shennanigans) and he is willing to, Id be jumping on this move
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:11 a.m.
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100% agree

As my explanation says above

"This only works if Trouba is willing to sign here.

Still a little over the cap"


As a result of the stink Trouba made the first time he was an RFA, I am extremely hesitant when it comes to Jacob Trouba. Hopefully, if the Leafs acquire any RFAs this summer, and with the RFAs they current have, there are no such issues.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:14 a.m.
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Exactly. If he is willing to be part of the leafs long-term, I would do it instantly. There were some issues but IF Dubas or Shanny can get some things right for him and his family (you know, there are some shennanigans) and he is willing to, Id be jumping on this move


Yes, the deal itself seems like something that would convince Winnipeg, and I think Kadri can do great things on that team. It's just the shenanigans I'm worried about. One thing to point out in the Trouba deal. It may not seem like it, but Hollowell has turned into one hell of a player. He's a fantastic skater, vision is great, shot is great, and he is a righty. I'd give up Bracco well before I gave up Mac.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:14 a.m.
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there center depth isnt good without kadri and matthews needs to play with nylander
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
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there center depth isnt good without kadri and matthews needs to play with nylander


I agree that C core isnt great without Kadri but Matthews just needs RW playmaker, Nylander can hold himself as C with Johnsson and Kappy. Bracco as Matthews winger and if (I see that happening) Marleau retires, just keep Brownie and have Brown-Matthews-Bracco (which is speedy line with a lot of skill and I believe that Brown in Hyman kinda role would be as good as Hyman.) and Johnsson-Nylander-Kapanen as 3rd line.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.
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I agree that C core isnt great without Kadri but Matthews just needs RW playmaker, Nylander can hold himself as C with Johnsson and Kappy. Bracco as Matthews winger and if (I see that happening) Marleau retires, just keep Brownie and have Brown-Matthews-Bracco (which is speedy line with a lot of skill and I believe that Brown in Hyman kinda role would be as good as Hyman.) and Johnsson-Nylander-Kapanen as 3rd line.


brown isnt good offensively, he just dumps the puck in and doesnt have any finish. he has been ok for the past 2-3 games but he was put in same role as hyman when hyman was out and the whole line didnt do well. I think moore-matthews-bracco would be a much better line but i dont know how bracco will do in the nhl. there are problems with the game in the ahl that need to be fixed or they will be exploited and make him much less effective
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:33 a.m.
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Kadri doesn't get you Trouba. Need to include a better prospect than Hollowell for Winnipeg to even consider it
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.
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That Ottawa trade is bad. Demelo proved he is a top 4 right shot D this year so why would sens trade him for a mid round pick a mediocre at best prospect and a long term cap dump? Make no sense
Apr. 4, 2019 at 10:43 a.m.
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So, Ottawa doesn't really want anything to do with Zaitsev... Nobody does...
Apr. 4, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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Both are poor trades. For WPG, maybe make the 2nd a first. Matters how much they hollowell. Ottawa will only take that if you throw in 10 million cash for Melnyk.

Also Leafs are wishing Marner will be that cheap. He got 90+ points this year on an ELC without bonuses even though they gave a bonus to Matthews. I think he signs the same contract as Matthews, if the number is around 9 it might be for 2-3 years tops.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 1:35 p.m.
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Both are poor trades. For WPG, maybe make the 2nd a first. Matters how much they hollowell. Ottawa will only take that if you throw in 10 million cash for Melnyk.

Also Leafs are wishing Marner will be that cheap. He got 90+ points this year on an ELC without bonuses even though they gave a bonus to Matthews. I think he signs the same contract as Matthews, if the number is around 9 it might be for 2-3 years tops.


A) He got bonuses, just less than Matthews, because Lou is nuts sometimes.

B) Until there is an RFA winger off an ELC not named Ovechkin (over a decade ago) who signs for over Tarasenko's 7.5 mil, I'll believe it when I see it.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 1:40 p.m.
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I read somewhere that Trouba wants go to team in the US because his dad cant enter Canada.

Not sure its 100% true.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 1:50 p.m.
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A) He got bonuses, just less than Matthews, because Lou is nuts sometimes.

B) Until there is an RFA winger off an ELC not named Ovechkin (over a decade ago) who signs for over Tarasenko's 7.5 mil, I'll believe it when I see it.


show me another winger who got 92+ points in his ELC contract year, the last one to do it was Ovechkin
Apr. 4, 2019 at 2:16 p.m.
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show me another winger who got 92+ points in his ELC contract year, the last one to do it was Ovechkin


You have to look relative to year.

In Gaudrea's RFA year he had 30 g and 78 pts. While this sounds like less than Marner you have to look at the year. The highest points that year was 106 points by Kane and Gaudreau was 6th in the league in points. http://hkref.com/tiny/FSwjG

In Tarsenko's RFA year he had 37 G and 73 pts. Again sounds like less but when you consider the year, he was 13th in points, and the most that year was Benn with just 87

While Marner's total points look better than them, he is no better relative to the league. Scoring is up this year. He has 25 goals and 97 points. He is 11th in points, and the player with the most, Kucherov has 125 points.

So to compare

Player---Pts----place in year----Leader that year pts
Gaudreau--78---6th---106
Marner---92---11th---125
Tarasenko--73--13th---87

Then you also realize the two above players had better years because they scored a lot more goals

Tarasneko 37 goals tied for 5th
Gaudreau 30 goals Tied for 19th
Marner 25 goals tied for 68th

Marner also has a huge advantage on Tarasenko and Gaudreau in their contract years as he is playing with a player who is so much better than anyone they played with (Tavares) it isn't even funny.

In the 6 years before he became a Leaf, Tavares was tied for 3rd in goals in the league (with 188), and 7th in points with 419 (http://hkref.com/tiny/wuf2A)
Marner does make Tavares better, but Tavares certainly makes Marner better and people seem to forget that.

Marner's best comparables on previous contracts are Gaudreau and Tarasenko, and frankly I think he deserves to be a little behind them, that would bring his contract in around 8 million.

Now if/when Rantanen signs, his contract will be the best comparable. And Marner should be BEHIND Rantanen. He had a better pts pace than Marner (but got injured a couple weeks ago, as of now he has 5 less points in 6 less games). He scores way more goals. And his production in the last two years is significantly better. And you can point out the awesomeness that is MacKinnon and I'll again point out the awesomness that is Tavares.
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Apr. 4, 2019 at 3:46 p.m.
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You have to look relative to year.

In Gaudrea's RFA year he had 30 g and 78 pts. While this sounds like less than Marner you have to look at the year. The highest points that year was 106 points by Kane and Gaudreau was 6th in the league in points. http://hkref.com/tiny/FSwjG

In Tarsenko's RFA year he had 37 G and 73 pts. Again sounds like less but when you consider the year, he was 13th in points, and the most that year was Benn with just 87

While Marner's total points look better than them, he is no better relative to the league. Scoring is up this year. He has 25 goals and 97 points. He is 11th in points, and the player with the most, Kucherov has 125 points.

So to compare

Player---Pts----place in year----Leader that year pts
Gaudreau--78---6th---106
Marner---92---11th---125
Tarasenko--73--13th---87

Then you also realize the two above players had better years because they scored a lot more goals

Tarasneko 37 goals tied for 5th
Gaudreau 30 goals Tied for 19th
Marner 25 goals tied for 68th

Marner also has a huge advantage on Tarasenko and Gaudreau in their contract years as he is playing with a player who is so much better than anyone they played with (Tavares) it isn't even funny.

In the 6 years before he became a Leaf, Tavares was tied for 3rd in goals in the league (with 188), and 7th in points with 419 (http://hkref.com/tiny/wuf2A)
Marner does make Tavares better, but Tavares certainly makes Marner better and people seem to forget that.

Marner's best comparables on previous contracts are Gaudreau and Tarasenko, and frankly I think he deserves to be a little behind them, that would bring his contract in around 8 million.

Now if/when Rantanen signs, his contract will be the best comparable. And Marner should be BEHIND Rantanen. He had a better pts pace than Marner (but got injured a couple weeks ago, as of now he has 5 less points in 6 less games). He scores way more goals. And his production in the last two years is significantly better. And you can point out the awesomeness that is MacKinnon and I'll again point out the awesomness that is Tavares.


This is REALLLLLY well said. Damn.
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Apr. 4, 2019 at 3:49 p.m.
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brown isnt good offensively, he just dumps the puck in and doesnt have any finish. he has been ok for the past 2-3 games but he was put in same role as hyman when hyman was out and the whole line didnt do well. I think moore-matthews-bracco would be a much better line but i dont know how bracco will do in the nhl. there are problems with the game in the ahl that need to be fixed or they will be exploited and make him much less effective


Brown is a 20 goal scorer when he was on the 4th line. I'm pretty sure he had finish. Especially when he'll be on a line with Connor McDavid. Lol
Apr. 4, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.
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there center depth isnt good without kadri and matthews needs to play with nylander


LOLOLOLOL Matthews NEEDS to play with Nylander??? That's 1 of funniest things I've read ever.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 7:23 p.m.
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Brown is a 20 goal scorer when he was on the 4th line. I'm pretty sure he had finish. Especially when he'll be on a line with Connor McDavid. Lol


The 4th line? He maybe played one game on the 4th line, he spent the rest of the season with matthews and kadri.
Apr. 4, 2019 at 7:24 p.m.
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LOLOLOLOL Matthews NEEDS to play with Nylander??? That's 1 of funniest things I've read ever.


Do you know what the **** you are talking about?
Apr. 9, 2019 at 1:45 a.m.
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Do you know what the **** you are talking about?


I do. Do you???
Apr. 9, 2019 at 1:46 a.m.
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The 4th line? He maybe played one game on the 4th line, he spent the rest of the season with matthews and kadri.


He spent less then a month with Matthews and same with Kadri.
Apr. 9, 2019 at 2:25 a.m.
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You have to look relative to year.

In Gaudrea's RFA year he had 30 g and 78 pts. While this sounds like less than Marner you have to look at the year. The highest points that year was 106 points by Kane and Gaudreau was 6th in the league in points. http://hkref.com/tiny/FSwjG

In Tarsenko's RFA year he had 37 G and 73 pts. Again sounds like less but when you consider the year, he was 13th in points, and the most that year was Benn with just 87

While Marner's total points look better than them, he is no better relative to the league. Scoring is up this year. He has 25 goals and 97 points. He is 11th in points, and the player with the most, Kucherov has 125 points.

So to compare

Player---Pts----place in year----Leader that year pts
Gaudreau--78---6th---106
Marner---92---11th---125
Tarasenko--73--13th---87

Then you also realize the two above players had better years because they scored a lot more goals

Tarasneko 37 goals tied for 5th
Gaudreau 30 goals Tied for 19th
Marner 25 goals tied for 68th

Marner also has a huge advantage on Tarasenko and Gaudreau in their contract years as he is playing with a player who is so much better than anyone they played with (Tavares) it isn't even funny.

In the 6 years before he became a Leaf, Tavares was tied for 3rd in goals in the league (with 188), and 7th in points with 419 (http://hkref.com/tiny/wuf2A)
Marner does make Tavares better, but Tavares certainly makes Marner better and people seem to forget that.

Marner's best comparables on previous contracts are Gaudreau and Tarasenko, and frankly I think he deserves to be a little behind them, that would bring his contract in around 8 million.

Now if/when Rantanen signs, his contract will be the best comparable. And Marner should be BEHIND Rantanen. He had a better pts pace than Marner (but got injured a couple weeks ago, as of now he has 5 less points in 6 less games). He scores way more goals. And his production in the last two years is significantly better. And you can point out the awesomeness that is MacKinnon and I'll again point out the awesomness that is Tavares.


This is a strong argument, for sure. 100% Dubas will be using this kind of context when negotiating for Marner's next deal. But then again, it's only presenting one side. Marner and his agent, you can argue, have just as valid counter-arguments that would put Marner getting similar money to Matthews. I think expecting Marner to sign for an AAV around $8mil is completely unrealistic. IMO, he'll hover around $10mil aav. Dubas just has to make sure he doesn't mess up the term like he did with Matthews. He's got to lock up Marner for 7-8 years, Giving him a shorter term deal, just to marginally lower his cap hit, will only shorten TOR's window. You have to imagine in 5-6 year players making $10mil will be a dime a dozen, and the leagues top players negotiating new deals will be getting closer to $16mil+. You don't want the same headache of having Matthews and Marner's contracts expiring around the same time and having to hand out that cash, and expect to still have enough cap to round out a deep roster.
Apr. 9, 2019 at 9:45 a.m.
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He spent less then a month with Matthews and same with Kadri.


lievo and kapanen were on the 4th line with moore/martin/johnsson/soshnikov/boyle for almost the whole season. brown played with matthews and hyman or kadri and komarov. remember when everyone was ****ting their pants because babcock put marner and nylander on the 4th line for a few games. they both spent more time on the 4th line those games then brown did the whole season, his offensive stats were brought up by playing with far better centers then he ever will get the chance to on the leafs.
 
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