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Avs get FOA pick amp unite Hughs Bros

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Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 8, 2019
Published: Apr. 8, 2019
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  1. Hughes, Quinn
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  1. Makar, Cale [Reserve List]
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Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:42 p.m.
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Cale Makar>Quinn Hughes. And Makar will have an extra year on his ELC.

This is horrific for Colorado.
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Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:44 p.m.
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Cale Makar>Quinn Hughes. And Makar will have an extra year on his ELC.

This is horrific for Colorado.


agreed-- offer Barrie before Makar
Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:51 p.m.
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Cale Makar>Quinn Hughes. And Makar will have an extra year on his ELC.

This is horrific for Colorado.


Your first point is debatable at best. Hughes is also younger.

Agree with your second point. However, uniting the brothers would come at some cost.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:52 p.m.
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agreed-- offer Barrie before Makar


Why would Vancouver do that?
Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:55 p.m.
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Your first point is debatable at best. Hughes is also younger.

Agree with your second point. However, uniting the brothers would come at some cost.


Yeah agreed on the first point too Both guys are elite and picking one over the other is silly. I would say right now, they're about even.
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Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:56 p.m.
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Why would Vancouver do that?


I didn't say they would.. But Makar is better than Hughes from a third party perspective.. it isn't really close either. Hughes is good but he's smallish and does not bring the two way game Makar does.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 4:59 p.m.
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I didn't say they would.. But Makar is better than Hughes from a third party perspective.. it isn't really close either. Hughes is good but he's smallish and does not bring the two way game Makar does.


What third party? Pronman, for example, has Hughes at the top.

I'm not saying that Hughes is better. At this point, it's a toss up.
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Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:02 p.m.
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Your first point is debatable at best. Hughes is also younger.

Agree with your second point. However, uniting the brothers would come at some cost.


It's tough because really all we have is two years of NCAA to compare to each other. Makar was the much better player over those two years than Hughes. He's also the biggest reason that his team is still playing, and Hughes team didn't even make the tournament.
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Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.
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It's tough because really all we have is two years of NCAA to compare to each other. Makar was the much better player over those two years than Hughes. He's also the biggest reason that his team is still playing, and Hughes team didn't even make the tournament.


At this point, I think it's a toss up. Can make a good argument for either.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:08 p.m.
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At this point, I think it's a toss up. Can make a good argument for either.


I think you can make an argument (not a good one, but the case can be made) that it's close because of the age I guess. I don't think there is an argument for Hughes being better. What would it be? He's played 5 professional games and Makar hasn't?
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:14 p.m.
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It's tough because really all we have is two years of NCAA to compare to each other. Makar was the much better player over those two years than Hughes. He's also the biggest reason that his team is still playing, and Hughes team didn't even make the tournament.


They're a year apart, so you have to compare where each player was at the same age. Here is their draft+1 boxcars:

Hughes: 32, 5-28-33 -2
Makar: 34, 5-16-21 +9

I don't see how you can look at those numbers and conclude that Makar is the "much better player".
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:18 p.m.
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They're a year apart, so you have to compare where each player was at the same age. Here is their draft+1 boxcars:

Hughes: 32, 5-28-33 -2
Makar: 34, 5-16-21 +9

I don't see how you can look at those numbers and conclude that Makar is the "much better player".


well, I can explain how. I've watched them both play. Makar was the best d man in college hockey this year by a considerable margin. His two way game has carried his team to the frozen four.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:18 p.m.
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They're a year apart, so you have to compare where each player was at the same age. Here is their draft+1 boxcars:

Hughes: 32, 5-28-33 -2
Makar: 34, 5-16-21 +9

I don't see how you can look at those numbers and conclude that Makar is the "much better player".


well, I can explain how. I've watched them both play. Makar was the best d man in college hockey this year by a considerable margin. His two way game has carried his team to the frozen four.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:19 p.m.
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I think you can make an argument (not a good one, but the case can be made) that it's close because of the age I guess. I don't think there is an argument for Hughes being better. What would it be? He's played 5 professional games and Makar hasn't?


What would be your argument that Makar is better? Many people think Hughes is better. There are also many who think Makar is better.

Hughes was ranked as the best prospect by Pronman so I suggest you read that if you're looking for an argument.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:20 p.m.
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well, I can explain how. I've watched them both play. Makar was the best d man in college hockey this year by a considerable margin. His two way game has carried his team to the frozen four.


... in his draft+2. We haven't seen Hughes in his draft+2 yet, so it's not a direct comparable. Thanks for reinforcing my point!
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:25 p.m.
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What would be your argument that Makar is better? Many people think Hughes is better. There are also many who think Makar is better.

Hughes was ranked as the best prospect by Pronman so I suggest you read that if you're looking for an argument.


I really could not care any less what some dude that writes for the athletic thinks. My argument would be one guy was an absolutely dominant in a league, and the other guy was really really good, but he wasn't dominant. I kinda give a skeptical look to anyone who doesn't have Makar as the best player in college hockey this year. He was ridiculously good.

Watch the frozen four this weekend. I watched both of the UMass games at regionals, Makar looked like a guy that was doing a rehab stint in the minors that was just clearly so much better than everyone else.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:30 p.m.
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... in his draft+2. We haven't seen Hughes in his draft+2 yet, so it's not a direct comparable. Thanks for reinforcing my point!


ahhhhh gotcha. that ole song and dance. ya, you're right. Are you sure that Connor McDavid is better than Jesse Puuljujarvi? I mean, we haven't seen Jesse play at the same age as McDavid yet...how can we really know? I mean, we've seen them play in the same league, and one guy is way better than the other, but they aren't the same age....sooo who's better? tough to say.

First off I wasn't making sweeping comments about who would have the better career, just who's better right now. Makar is just better and cherry picking because Makar played a year in the AJHL because of what month he was born in is pretty lame. They played in the same league at the same time. One was the best player in that league, and the other wasn't. One dragged his team from the gutters of college hockey to the frozen four. The other couldn't take his team to the tournament. I know it's a team game, but Makar literally dragged that team from being one of the worst teams in college hockey to 2 wins away from a championship.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:31 p.m.
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I really could not care any less what some dude that writes for the athletic thinks. My argument would be one guy was an absolutely dominant in a league, and the other guy was really really good, but he wasn't dominant. I kinda give a skeptical look to anyone who doesn't have Makar as the best player in college hockey this year. He was ridiculously good.

Watch the frozen four this weekend. I watched both of the UMass games at regionals, Makar looked like a guy that was doing a rehab stint in the minors that was just clearly so much better than everyone else.


Hughes was injured during the regionals. He's also a year younger. He played very well in the world championship last year. I think it would be a mistake to base a conclusion on a single weekend.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:32 p.m.
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Hughes was injured during the regionals. He's also a year younger. He played very well in the world championship last year. I think it would be a mistake to base a conclusion on a single weekend.


nahhhhh just his entire body of work. I'll go with that.

They didn't get an at large bid for a reason.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:38 p.m.
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nahhhhh just his entire body of work. I'll go with that.

They didn't get an at large bid for a reason.


??? you understand that he's not the only on the team right? Josh Norris was also injured.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 5:49 p.m.
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ahhhhh gotcha. that ole song and dance. ya, you're right. Are you sure that Connor McDavid is better than Jesse Puuljujarvi? I mean, we haven't seen Jesse play at the same age as McDavid yet...how can we really know? I mean, we've seen them play in the same league, and one guy is way better than the other, but they aren't the same age....sooo who's better? tough to say.

First off I wasn't making sweeping comments about who would have the better career, just who's better right now. Makar is just better and cherry picking because Makar played a year in the AJHL because of what month he was born in is pretty lame. They played in the same league at the same time. One was the best player in that league, and the other wasn't. One dragged his team from the gutters of college hockey to the frozen four. The other couldn't take his team to the tournament. I know it's a team game, but Makar literally dragged that team from being one of the worst teams in college hockey to 2 wins away from a championship.


You completely missed my point. You CAN compare McDavid to Puljujarvi because they played in the same league at the same age. So did Makar and Hughes, as I demonstrated above - and Hughes has much better scoring numbers.
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Apr. 8, 2019 at 7:07 p.m.
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You completely missed my point. You CAN compare McDavid to Puljujarvi because they played in the same league at the same age. So did Makar and Hughes, as I demonstrated above - and Hughes has much better scoring numbers.


Meh. Michigan had some pretty unreal forwards in that year. I think they had two 50 point guys. UMass was horrible. He was still their best player then. Time will tell, but if you asked the 31 GMs which player they would prefer, I'm extraordinarily confident all 31 would say that they would love to have either, but would pick Makar if they had to choose.
Apr. 8, 2019 at 7:12 p.m.
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??? you understand that he's not the only on the team right? Josh Norris was also injured.


cool. I don't really see how it matters to my point, which is that Makar dragged his team from being a laughing stock to the frozen four.
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Apr. 9, 2019 at 12:12 a.m.
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The only real logic behind this trade would be if the Avs were convinced Timmins is going to come back and they're keeping Barrie. Then it might make sense as the Avs are arguably weaker on the left D in the future and Hughes would compensate for that. However it should be a one for one swap.
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Apr. 9, 2019 at 8:23 a.m.
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What third party? Pronman, for example, has Hughes at the top.

I'm not saying that Hughes is better. At this point, it's a toss up.


as in i'm not a fan of vancouver or colorado.. and button has different

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