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RNH and Trouba

Created by: DirtyDangles
Initial Creation Date: Apr 10, 2019
Published: Apr 10, 2019 at 11:23 am
Team: 2019-20 Philadelphia Flyers
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas3$800,000
Hartman, Ryan1$1,500,000
Laughton, Scott1$1,750,000
Provorov, Ivan8$6,750,000
Konecny, Travis3$4,750,000
Sanheim, Travis2$3,650,000
Trouba, Jacob8$7,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Talbot, Cam2$2,250,000
Trades
PHI
  1. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
EDM
  1. 2019 1st round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Trouba, Jacob [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Radko Gudas: $1,005,000 (30%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
PHI
NJD
PHI
PHI
PHI
ARI
PHI
MTL
2020
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
NSH
PHI
PHI
PHI
2021
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$78,481,388$0$2,995,000$4,518,612
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PHI
Giroux, Claude
$8,275,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 3
PHI
Voracek, Jakub
$8,250,000
RW
UFA - 5
PHI
Lindblom, Oskar
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
PHI
Konecny, Travis
$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
PHI
van Riemsdyk, James
$7,000,000
LW
UFA - 4
PHI
Patrick, Nolan
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
PHI
Frost, Morgan
$863,333
C
RFA - 3
PHI
Raffl, Michael
$1,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
PHI
Laughton, Scott
$1,750,000
C
UFA - 2
PHI
Hartman, Ryan
$1,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PHI
Provorov, Ivan
$6,750,000
LD
UFA - 6
Trouba, Jacob
$7,250,000
RD
UFA - 7
PHI
Hart, Carter
$730,833
G
RFA - 2
PHI
Sanheim, Travis
$3,650,000
RD
RFA - 2
PHI
Myers, Philippe
$678,889
RD
RFA - 1
PHI
Talbot, Cam
$2,250,000
G
UFA - 1
PHI
Hägg, Robert
$1,150,000
LD
RFA - 1
PHI
Gudas, Radko
$2,345,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PHI
Morin, Samuel
$700,000
LD
RFA - 2
PHI
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
$800,000
RW
RFA - 1
PHI
MacDonald, Andrew
$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Apr 10, 2019 at 11:26
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this post is giving me a headache
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:28
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Quoting: leafsfan1967
this post is giving me a headache


Care to elaborate...
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:29
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Care to elaborate...


lmao its not even bad tradestears of joy especially compared to 99% of other ACGM
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:30
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Care to elaborate...


EDM wants more, and talbot is god awful and shouldn't be signed, at least not that much
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:30
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
lmao its not even bad tradestears of joy


EDM wants more
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Apr 10, 2019 at 11:31
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Quoting: leafsfan1967
EDM wants more, and talbot is god awful and shouldn't be signed, at least not that much


I didn't realize you are the new EDM GM! Congrats!

As for Talbot, he is a mentor for Hart, and can play 20-25 games next year.
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:32
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I didn't realize you are the new EDM GM! Congrats!

As for Talbot, he is a mentor for Hart, and can play 20-25 games next year.


haha, what? No need to get hostile and defensive for no reason.
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Apr 10, 2019 at 11:33
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Quoting: leafsfan1967
haha, what? No need to get hostile and defensive for no reason.


Hostile? Defensive?
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:34
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Hostile? Defensive?


enjoy watching the Leafs in playoffs. L
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:37
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Quoting: leafsfan1967
enjoy watching the Leafs in playoffs. L


Next time you want to comment on my post, try and bring something intelligent with you...
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:38
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Next time you want to comment on my post, try and bring something intelligent with you...


nice one, "DirtyDangles" tears of joy Toronto Maple Leafs
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:45
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Quoting: leafsfan1967
EDM wants more


I don't know if "more" is the right wording here; I think they'd want roster players over draft picks but that's hard to know without a GM in place.
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:46
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Quoting: Btosh
I don't know if "more" is the right wording here; I think they'd want roster players over draft picks but that's hard to know without a GM in place.


With $6 mil off the books, they can now go get one in FA.
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:49
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Man this is like trading Couturier for the 8th overall pick. Come on
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Apr 10, 2019 at 11:51
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
Man this is like trading Couturier for the 8th overall pick. Come on


LMFAO, comparing Couts to RNH...now that is funny! You Oilers fans are hilarious! you don't want to trade anyone good but you want good players in return. You have ZERO depth and few good prospects. Getting $6 mil in cap space plus a good prospect makes a lot of sense for EDM. But hey, enjoy losing McDavid when you fail again next year!
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Apr 10, 2019 at 11:53
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Care to elaborate...


Couple thoughts from a fellow Flyers fan:

1. Signing Talbot to that deal would be fine. Not great, since he's struggled the past two seasons, but fine for his purpose.

2. Provorov is probably a bit low dollars wise on an 8 year deal. I'd think he'll get 7M+

3. Sanheim and TK bridge deals are good and realistic, though maybe a tad bit high for both.

4. Send AMac to the AHL to save yourself some cap. Could buy him out too, but there's plenty of space without doing that.

5. Personally, I'm not a fan of the Winnipeg trade because I don't think Trouba is as big of an upgrade as most people seem to think. He gives up a lot of shots and scoring changes IIRC, which is kind of the opposite of what Fletcher wants. That's not to say Trouba isn't good, mind you; I just don't think he solves the problem.

6. Kind of doubt Frost makes the team out of camp, though I wouldn't hate it. Sending AMac down should give them like 4-5M in cap space, which could be used on a forward to play with Nolan and JVR.

7. I really, really hope we never have to see a Hagg-Gudas pairing again. It's painful to watch. Maybe just swap Myers and Gudas for the start of the year? I kind of hope they move Hagg, TBH.

I know it seems like I'm picking this apart, but this is one of the better ACGM posts on here and, while not a dream off-season, this seems somewhat realistic IMO.
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:55
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
With $6 mil off the books, they can now go get one in FA.


Sure, but does 6M in space plus the 11th pick really help them immediately? Maybe, depending on the FA, but I would think they try to get a roster player (Dougie Hamilton or Ghost, for example ) in any move with RNH. Maybe that 6M helps them land a good FA, but the top-tier ones are going to cost more than 6M.
Apr 10, 2019 at 11:59
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Quoting: Btosh
Sure, but does 6M in space plus the 11th pick really help them immediately? Maybe, depending on the FA, but I would think they try to get a roster player (Dougie Hamilton or Ghost, for example ) in any move with RNH. Maybe that 6M helps them land a good FA, but the top-tier ones are going to cost more than 6M.


EDM needs depth, they could easily sign 2-3 roster players. Say a Donskoi, Tyler Ennis and another cheap 3rd liner.
Apr 10, 2019 at 12:07
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
EDM needs depth, they could easily sign 2-3 roster players. Say a Donskoi, Tyler Ennis and another cheap 3rd liner.


Quoting: Btosh
Sure, but does 6M in space plus the 11th pick really help them immediately? Maybe, depending on the FA, but I would think they try to get a roster player (Dougie Hamilton or Ghost, for example ) in any move with RNH. Maybe that 6M helps them land a good FA, but the top-tier ones are going to cost more than 6M.


There were my thoughts exactly. This man really suggests Ennis and Donskoi is worth losing RNH over. LOL
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Apr 10, 2019 at 12:09
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Care to expand on the Nugent Hopkins trade? It makes no sense from the Oilers side of things

EDM is terribly short on FWD depth and trading RNH for the 11th OV does nothing for them in the immediate future
RNH is worth more than the 11th OV
If a EDM PHI deal was to be had it would involve Philly moving up to 8 and EDM sliding back to 11
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Apr 10, 2019 at 12:12
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
There were my thoughts exactly. This man really suggests Ennis and Donskoi is worth losing RNH over. LOL


You could make it Dzingel instead and not be able to get a 3rd player, which is fine. At least Dzingel can skate with McDavid unlike anyone you have put at RW this year.

You don't seem to understand that you have next to no prospects. I guess I would be nervous about getting good picks as well since my organization has no clue how to develop players and kills their careers before they get started. Keep playing Kassian at 1RW...that will really make McDavid want to stay!
Apr 10, 2019 at 12:14
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Quoting: RWellington
Care to expand on the Nugent Hopkins trade? It makes no sense from the Oilers side of things

EDM is terribly short on FWD depth and trading RNH for the 11th OV does nothing for them in the immediate future
RNH is worth more than the 11th OV
If a EDM PHI deal was to be had it would involve Philly moving up to 8 and EDM sliding back to 11


How is RNH worth more? He has 2 years left on his contract and only went over his normal scoring due to a massive bump from McDavid and Draisaitl on the PP. 55 point players are not worth top 10 picks.
Apr 10, 2019 at 12:15
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
LMFAO, comparing Couts to RNH...now that is funny! You Oilers fans are hilarious! you don't want to trade anyone good but you want good players in return. You have ZERO depth and few good prospects. Getting $6 mil in cap space plus a good prospect makes a lot of sense for EDM. But hey, enjoy losing McDavid when you fail again next year!


https://public.tableau.com/shared/PGGBKHXB8?:display_count=yes

What an awful take... "you have no depth" so lets trade your 3rd best player ???

Adding a 1st does nothing for EDM when the price is RNH / adding $6 in cap space does nothing for EDM when the price is RNH
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Apr 10, 2019 at 12:17
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Quoting: RWellington
https://public.tableau.com/shared/PGGBKHXB8?:display_count=yes

What an awful take... "you have no depth" so lets trade your 3rd best player ???

Adding a 1st does nothing for EDM when the price is RNH / adding $6 in cap space does nothing for EDM when the price is RNH


Here I can show just a few stats as well...

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players%5B%5D=2900&players%5B%5D=2890&period=2018-2019%3AR%3A99

Just because he is thier 3rd best player, doesn't mean he is worth more. Who is OTT's 3rd best player? Is he worth a top 10 pick?
Apr 10, 2019 at 12:20
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
How is RNH worth more? He has 2 years left on his contract and only went over his normal scoring due to a massive bump from McDavid and Draisaitl on the PP. 55 point players are not worth top 10 picks.


RNH had 69 pts .... perhaps his elevated numbers are more based on him reaching his prime value despite being saddled to Lucic 5v5 all season

Should the flyers deal Couturier based on his number prior to 2017-2018??
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