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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 11, 2019
Published: Apr. 11, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$9,616,000
3$3,000,000
4$3,300,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$725,000
Trades
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Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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Logo of the EDM
Logo of the SJS
2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,000,000$77,043,199$0$82,500$5,956,801

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$9,616,000$9,616,000
RW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,300,000$3,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$700,000$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$900,000$900,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,900,000$1,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$4,875,000$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$4,650,000$4,650,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Apr. 11, 2019 at 9:06 a.m.
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Honestly? I would change DeMelo to Jaroš

Also no to Benning.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 9:22 a.m.
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Dangerously close to exceeding the limit of what you can put on ltir. Also don’t think Marner or Kapanen take those deals.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 9:33 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Dangerously close to exceeding the limit of what you can put on ltir. Also don’t think Marner or Kapanen take those deals.


Kappy would take that if it’s 1 or 2 years, just as a bridge deal. However if for 3+ years he’ll ask for more. Marner definitely looks for more though
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Apr. 11, 2019 at 10:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Dangerously close to exceeding the limit of what you can put on ltir. Also don’t think Marner or Kapanen take those deals.


I still haven’t been able to find anything about ltir limit. @Banks do you know anything about Ltir having a max limit for amount of relief?
Apr. 11, 2019 at 11:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Dangerously close to exceeding the limit of what you can put on ltir. Also don’t think Marner or Kapanen take those deals.


What limit are you referring to?

Quoting: Jamiepo
I still haven’t been able to find anything about ltir limit. @Banks do you know anything about Ltir having a max limit for amount of relief?


No limit that is coming to mind.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 11:28 a.m.
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Also dangerously over the limit when you realize that Marner gets $1M more and the Ottawa deal isn't legal. People need to learn what cap circumvention is on this site. League doesn't allow that trade to go through.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Banks
What limit are you referring to?



No limit that is coming to mind.


So, a lot of teams are actually over the cap, but there is a cushion to take into account LTIR, and performance bonuses for ELC and one year deals for players over 35. So, let's take, for example, the Bruins. They're going to have Zdeno Chara with 1.75 million in bonuses next year, and let's just say for the heck of it, Jack Studnicka has 1.25 million in bonuses in his contract, and makes the team. That 3 million counts against the cap, but, they're allowed to exceed the cap, in that amount. Let's say that David Krejci gets hurt and is out for the year, and his 7.25 million is on LTIR. Well, they're allowed to pick someone up to replace that money, but it does, still count against the cap. So in this scenario, if the Bruins spent every dollar that was allowed, they would be 10.25 million over the cap, but, due to LTIR replacement money, and the bonus cushion, they would be allowed to do it. You can't just keep on doing that forever. I'm not 100% sure what the number is, but I know it's either 15% or 20% (20% would make all the sense in the world, because it's the maximum player contract). So, No matter what, a team cannot be more than 20% over the cap, even with LTIR and bonus cushion and all that.

This team has 14.825 in money on the LTIR (This is an awful idea for a number of reasons, one being you can't, "bank," ltir room as you can bank cap room, and another being I believe at the beginning of the season you have to be cap compliant with that LTIR money on the books, so some ridiculous juggling of waivers would have to take place, and some good players actually might be exposed), and if the cap is 83, no team will be able to go more than 16.6 over the cap. So, for example, let's assume that Jake Muzzin goes down with an injury and is done for the season and Dubas wants to go out and get a replacement, well....you're SOL because once you add his money to the LTIR pile, you're at 18.825, and you can't use that LTIR replacement money. So, in essence, it isn't an LTIR limit, but it's an "exceeding the cap," limit.

I'm sure you know all of this, but I figured I'd plop some examples out here for the others.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 11:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Banks
What limit are you referring to?



No limit that is coming to mind.


@Bcarlo25 seems to remember there being a limit to the amount of salary you can have relief from on ltir. I was under the impression that the pool just goes up for each player placed on ltir with no max ceiling. He thought the limit was 10-15m in ltir contracts. I haven’t found any mention of it in the CBA.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 11:37 a.m.
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@Bcarlo25 seems to remember there being a limit to the amount of salary you can have relief from on ltir. I was under the impression that the pool just goes up for each player placed on ltir with no max ceiling. He thought the limit was 10-15m in ltir contracts. I haven’t found any mention of it in the CBA.


I just wrote a novella up above.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 11:59 a.m.
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I just wrote a novella up above.


I just read it but there is nothing in the cba about a limit to ltir usage. And no coming out of camp you do not have to be cap compliant per say. Ltir can be used over the summer the roster then maxed out the injured players placed on ltir and the roster filled. You will notice that for brief amounts of time teams can be over the cap and roster limit. Cap is totalled on daily hits over the course of the season so it’s a bit more fluid than people assume.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 1:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
So, a lot of teams are actually over the cap, but there is a cushion to take into account LTIR, and performance bonuses for ELC and one year deals for players over 35. So, let's take, for example, the Bruins. They're going to have Zdeno Chara with 1.75 million in bonuses next year, and let's just say for the heck of it, Jack Studnicka has 1.25 million in bonuses in his contract, and makes the team. That 3 million counts against the cap, but, they're allowed to exceed the cap, in that amount. Let's say that David Krejci gets hurt and is out for the year, and his 7.25 million is on LTIR. Well, they're allowed to pick someone up to replace that money, but it does, still count against the cap. So in this scenario, if the Bruins spent every dollar that was allowed, they would be 10.25 million over the cap, but, due to LTIR replacement money, and the bonus cushion, they would be allowed to do it. You can't just keep on doing that forever. I'm not 100% sure what the number is, but I know it's either 15% or 20% (20% would make all the sense in the world, because it's the maximum player contract). So, No matter what, a team cannot be more than 20% over the cap, even with LTIR and bonus cushion and all that.

This team has 14.825 in money on the LTIR (This is an awful idea for a number of reasons, one being you can't, "bank," ltir room as you can bank cap room, and another being I believe at the beginning of the season you have to be cap compliant with that LTIR money on the books, so some ridiculous juggling of waivers would have to take place, and some good players actually might be exposed), and if the cap is 83, no team will be able to go more than 16.6 over the cap. So, for example, let's assume that Jake Muzzin goes down with an injury and is done for the season and Dubas wants to go out and get a replacement, well....you're SOL because once you add his money to the LTIR pile, you're at 18.825, and you can't use that LTIR replacement money. So, in essence, it isn't an LTIR limit, but it's an "exceeding the cap," limit.

I'm sure you know all of this, but I figured I'd plop some examples out here for the others.


I think you are mixing up the bonus cushion and LTIR relief, they are actually separate.

There is no limit to the amount of cap hit that can be put on LTIR, if a team has $30M in injured players, they can place them all on LTIR if they feel the need.

On the other hand there is the 7.5% bonus cushion. If a team exceeds the bonus cushion by having players on the roster who can potentially exceed that amount, the amount they are over the limit is treated as a cap hit.

As for at the beginning of the season, teams can exceed the upper limit to start the season, the LTIR relief would be calculated using the training-camp equation explained here: https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq
Apr. 11, 2019 at 1:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Banks
I think you are mixing up the bonus cushion and LTIR relief, they are actually separate.

There is no limit to the amount of cap hit that can be put on LTIR, if a team has $30M in injured players, they can place them all on LTIR if they feel the need.

On the other hand there is the 7.5% bonus cushion. If a team exceeds the bonus cushion by having players on the roster who can potentially exceed that amount, the amount they are over the limit is treated as a cap hit.

As for at the beginning of the season, teams can exceed the upper limit to start the season, the LTIR relief would be calculated using the training-camp equation explained here: https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq


I'm under the impression that there is a total limit to what you can exceed the cap by, and that it is 20% during the regular season. This is factoring in LTIR room and bonus cushion room. The CBA changes, and is a difficult document to understand, but I'm pretty confident that this is the case. So while there is no LTIR cap, there is kind of an informal cap, due to the maximum amount you can exceed the cap by.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 1:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I'm under the impression that there is a total limit to what you can exceed the cap by, and that it is 20% during the regular season. This is factoring in LTIR room and bonus cushion room. The CBA changes, and is a difficult document to understand, but I'm pretty confident that this is the case. So while there is no LTIR cap, there is kind of an informal cap, due to the maximum amount you can exceed the cap by.


What is your source for this limit?

The 20% limit is the limit that a single player contract can be, which is 20% of the upper limit when the contract is signed. Only one player has ever been signed at the 20% limit: Brad Richards in 2006
Apr. 11, 2019 at 1:36 p.m.
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What is your source for this limit?

The 20% limit is the limit that a single player contract can be, which is 20% of the upper limit when the contract is signed. Only one player has ever been signed at the 20% limit: Brad Richards in 2006


It was the cba, but maybe they changed it. I know it definitely used to be in there though.
Apr. 11, 2019 at 1:48 p.m.
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It was the cba, but maybe they changed it. I know it definitely used to be in there though.


Can you find the clause in question?
Apr. 11, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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Can you find the clause in question?


perhaps, i'll take a look, but it won't be immediately. As you well know digging through the CBA is a task.
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