Edited Apr. 15, 2019 at 9:54 a.m.
Quoting: Jamiepo
Lol... you know nothing. Teams can trade ltir contracts ever heard of Hossa? Besides luongo played this year so that blows up your whole theory. He may even play next year. Vancouver is forbidden to trade for luongo because you say so? Why don’t you go through CBA and and find the section where it says you are not allowed to trade ltir contracts. Then tell me why every other team is allowed to trade them.
I don’t mean to come off so rude but you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. It really bothers me when people like you come on here and spout misinformed ramblings that other people might actually believe.
Lol. You might wanna look in the mirror to see who the misinformed person is there bud. I never said teams can't trade LTIR contracts. That's not the illegal part. The illegal part is only acquiring said player that will be on LTIR and nothing else. Ie cap circumvention. A team must receive a playable asset in order for a trade to be deemed legal. Even draft picks are deemed legal. So if Vancouver even just received a 7th round pick, then the trade becomes legal. But the user even stated in the trade details that this move "was purely for LTIR reasons", hence cap circumvention. Which is not legal.
As for me being "misinformed".. check your facts on the Hossa trade there bud.
1. Hossa isn't on LTIR, he's been on regular IR since the trade. Therefore he is not giving the receiving team any cap relief. He still counts against the cap of Arizona.
2. Other assets went to Arizona along with Hossa so even though Hossa is deemed unfit to play, Arizona still received playable assets in the trade. Chicago also received players, picks, and prospects, which are deemed fit to play. Making it legal.
3. The main reason the deal was made was because it helped Arizona get to the floor without having to spend big money.
The same facts go for the Dave Bolland contract. The Pavel Datsyuk contract. The old Chirs Pronger contract. The Horton for Clarkson trade was similar but a bit different. No other assets were involved but because Horton's deal wasn't insured (Columbus is stupid) his team is on the hook for paying the entire monetary value of it. With Columbus being a low market team, they couldn't really afford to pay a player to sit at home. Insert Toronto. Who is one of the richest franchises in North American sports, and can afford it. So Columbus got Clarkson (who actually played for them) and Toronto got Horton's contract. Horton has never been placed on LTIR to this day since the trade and is still on regular IR and again, that doesn't provide cap relief. So he's technically still on Toronto's cap, he's just paid to sit at home. There's no cap relief there for anyone, thus making the trade legal.
Everyone knows Luongo is likely calling it a career. He even said so himself and his body can't keep anymore. If he retires there's a huge cap penalty for Vancouver and I believe Florida as well, but if he goes on LTIR he still collects his money and there is no cap penalties.
So please, once again, before you call people misinformed and blab on about stuff that you talk about and think you know but really don't, check your facts. Cause you've now just made yourself look like a fool for saying it's legal when it's not, and using a terrible example that proved you even more wrong.
What really gets me is people like you that are told what you're saying is not correct, you're given the exact reasons why, and choose to still not believe it and continue to put your wrong input into a conversation. The only wrong person between me and you is you bud.
The trade as purposed is Luongo (for LTIR purposes as the user said) for Eriksson (50% retained), Spooner (50% retained) and Goldobin. Which provides Vancouver with approximately $4.5M in salary relief for acquiring nothing that is deemed fit to play. That is illegal. That is cap circumvention. That is denied instantly by the league. As I said, the simplistic way around it is to add something minor going to Vancouver as well, which gives them something that is deemed playable and makes the trade legal.
So you're wrong. There's the facts.