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Trading back Broberg and Gallagher

Created by: RWellington
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 15, 2019
Published: Apr. 16, 2019
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
Having watched Miro Heiskanen play these playoffs the more i love the idea of a smooth skating D core. Heiskanen dominates with his speed and ability to exit his own zone almost effortlessly at times.

Does EDM need another LHD ..... well that depends if Klefbom & Nurse are here for the long term. Even then if they are not part of the plan EDM has decent prospect strength regarding LHD (Jones, Lagesson, Samorukov) however Philip Broberg is exactly what the NHL defenseman is trending towards, smooth skating offensive minded. Drafting Broberg would add to EDMs LHD depth and allow them to make some moves some a position of depth (Sekera & Russell likely departed within 24 months and Nurse's next contract may become a cap issue depending upon this upcoming season and his success). Broberg has been shown to likley be drafted anywhere from 10 (being the highest i've seen) to mid 20's. ISS has him ranked 21st available however a team may look at taking him much sooner.

EDM currently holds the 8th OV pick and MTL holds the 15th OV pick, perhaps Edmonton could leverage a team like the Habs, assuming they love a player available at 8, to pry away Gallagher or Drouin. In the cases of both players EDM would have to sweeten the deal however it cannot be understated how valuable moving up 7 spots on the draft floor could be to a team. If EDM could drop back and pick up a top 6 winger like Gallagher in a cap neutral deal that moves out a LHD (Sekera) it would be a huge win, the need to add multiple top six wingers via free agency is lightened. Edmonton could then focus on adding 1-2 players (1 top 6 LW & 1 3C ) while maintaining a decent amount of cap space to accomplish. Dropping back with hopes of Broberg could be risky however this deal helps drastically in the short term while not hampering them in the long run by removing the pick outright

The deal would accomplish a couple things for MTL as well:
MTL add a top prospect (Krebs/Boldy/Turcotte/etc) & 2nd/3rd pair veteran LHD & 3rd round pick

EDM add impact top 6 winger & future top pair LHD (Broberg)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse2$1,500,000
Starrett, Shane2$850,000
Gambardella, Joseph2$800,000
Khaira, Jujhar2$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Johansson, Marcus2$3,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Broberg, Philip3$925,000
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Gallagher, Brendan
  2. 2019 1st round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Sekera, Andrej ($1,750,000 retained)
  2. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Foligno, Marcus
MIN
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. 2019 6th round pick (EDM)
3.
EDM
    Future Considerations
    NJD
    1. Manning, Brandon ($750,000 retained)
    Buyouts
    • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
    • Eric Gryba: $300,000
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Andrej Sekera: $1,750,000 (116.67%)
    • Brandon Manning: $750,000 (33.33%)
    • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
    • Sam Gagner: $315,000 (10%)
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    2021
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$83,000,000$78,876,166$0$90,000$4,123,834
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
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    Draisaitl, Leon
    $8,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 6
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    McDavid, Connor
    $12,500,000
    C
    UFA - 7
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    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    $1,500,000
    RW
    RFA
    Johansson, Marcus
    $3,750,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the EDM
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $6,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the MTL
    Gallagher, Brendan
    $3,750,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
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    Foligno, Marcus
    $2,875,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    Khaira, Jujhar
    $900,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the EDM
    Kassian, Zack
    $1,950,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
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    Lucic, Milan
    $5,250,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
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    Cave, Colby
    $675,000
    C
    RFA - 1
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    Gagner, Sam
    $2,835,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
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    Brodziak, Kyle
    $1,150,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Klefbom, Oscar
    $4,167,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
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    Larsson, Adam
    $4,166,666
    RD
    UFA - 2
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    Koskinen, Mikko
    $4,500,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the EDM
    Nurse, Darnell
    $3,200,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    Benning, Matthew
    $1,900,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the EDM
    Starrett, Shane
    $850,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the EDM
    Jones, Caleb
    $720,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
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    Bear, Ethan
    $720,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Broberg, Philip
    $925,000
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    Bouchard, Evan
    $894,167
    RD
    RFA - 4

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    Apr. 16, 2019 at 11:59 a.m.
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    MTL answers: Yeah, like, no.
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:02 p.m.
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    Edited Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:07 p.m.
    Big no from Montreal, Gallagher's a young, fast, hard working 30+ goal scorer and core leader on a team friendly contract. It makes sense that Edmonton would want him on their team. But the cost would have to be vastly more than an offer to move up just 7 spots at the draft, an ageing and frequently-injured defenceman, and a mid-round pick in a later draft year. No dice. A closer deal would be 7OA, Edmonton's 1st OA in 2020, and Nurse for Gallagher and the 15OA, and even that might not do it
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: gm_jeanguy
    MTL answers: Yeah, like, no.


    Care to explain ?
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: MountRoyal514
    Big no from Montreal, Gallagher's a young, fast, hard working 30+ goal scorer and core leader on a team friendly contract. It makes sense that Edmonton would want him on their team. But the cost would have to be vastly more than an offer to move up just 7 spots at the draft, an ageing and frequently-injured defenceman, and a mid-round pick in a later draft year. No dice.


    Definitely can't undervalue moving up into the top 10 of the draft however i see your point.
    Sekera has had 2 major injuries the past 2 seasons that really set him back, his play in the 2nd half while lacking point production as fairly reassuring for Oiler fans as his play was stabilizing.
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: RWellington
    Care to explain ?

    I think its pretty simple... Gallagher is one of the most valuable core players for MTL, and comparable value to have him exit the team via trade would likely cost much higher than a bottom pairing D (who fits the "cap dump" profile) with a 1st and a 3rd pick alone. Having MTL add any pick at all is just insult to injury!
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    Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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    Well, this is like really really really really really bad for MTL... I wouldn't trade Gally for your first.... Let alone taking a cap dumb and giving the 15th pick... This can't be serious
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    Apr. 16, 2019 at 12:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: RWellington
    Definitely can't undervalue moving up into the top 10 of the draft however i see your point.
    Sekera has had 2 major injuries the past 2 seasons that really set him back, his play in the 2nd half while lacking point production as fairly reassuring for Oiler fans as his play was stabilizing.


    He's still an NHLer for sure, but his age, the fact that he has had 2 significant injuries and that he played ok but not well enough to put up points means he is an enormous downgrade from Gallagher's 2 full seasons of playing 82 games and 1st line minutes with 30+ goals in both of those. Moving up just 7 spots in the draft does not even come close to compensating. Also, Habs biggest need is LD, so why not keep Gallagher and draft Borberg ourselves?
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 1:34 p.m.
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    Sekera is almost a cap dump, he has no value, he's 32, he played 60 games in the last two seasons and 2 years remaining at 5.5M...
    Gallagher alone will worth something like your 1st pick...
    A fair deal could be Gallagher vs EDM 1st and Sekera but I can tell you that it will never happens, Gallagher is the heart of MTL, Price is the brain and Weber the soul...
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 2:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: math731
    Well, this is like really really really really really bad for MTL... I wouldn't trade Gally for your first.... Let alone taking a cap dumb and giving the 15th pick... This can't be serious


    Did you read the explanation? You really really really really really really should have or the point will be missed and you'll think this trade is bad for MTL.
    The question is whether MTL would move up in the draft. Whether you like it or not it will cost in order to do so. Notice in 75% of deals there are clear winners, which means your team may come out on the losing end once and a while. Teams will take gambles in order to better their franchise, and MTL is a team i could see being aggressive (perhaps not in moving up but actually adding some pieces)

    This is as serious as a fan site built around everydayers playing GM mode can be...
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 2:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: yanp007
    Sekera is almost a cap dump, he has no value, he's 32, he played 60 games in the last two seasons and 2 years remaining at 5.5M...
    Gallagher alone will worth something like your 1st pick...
    A fair deal could be Gallagher vs EDM 1st and Sekera but I can tell you that it will never happens, Gallagher is the heart of MTL, Price is the brain and Weber the soul...


    Hard no on that "fair deal"

    Gallagher with 2 years of team control is not worth EDMs first.
    EDM can move Sekera without the 1st
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    Apr. 16, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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    He's still an NHLer for sure, but his age, the fact that he has had 2 significant injuries and that he played ok but not well enough to put up points means he is an enormous downgrade from Gallagher's 2 full seasons of playing 82 games and 1st line minutes with 30+ goals in both of those. Moving up just 7 spots in the draft does not even come close to compensating. Also, Habs biggest need is LD, so why not keep Gallagher and draft Borberg ourselves?


    I agree the Habs biggest need is LHD but Broberg is likely 2-3 years away. Would they be wise to take him yes absolutely but the point of the AGM was if MTL loved a kid at 8 would they "overpay" to make that happen.
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 2:14 p.m.
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    I think its pretty simple... Gallagher is one of the most valuable core players for MTL, and comparable value to have him exit the team via trade would likely cost much higher than a bottom pairing D (who fits the "cap dump" profile) with a 1st and a 3rd pick alone. Having MTL add any pick at all is just insult to injury!


    Disagree and you clearly didnt read the context of the trade... go back and think about what i wrote and why MTL would be compelled to move up 7 places in the draft.
    Also consider the fact teams are forced to overpay in order to do so, this deal also addresses MTLs biggest need (LHD)
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 3:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: RWellington
    I agree the Habs biggest need is LHD but Broberg is likely 2-3 years away. Would they be wise to take him yes absolutely but the point of the AGM was if MTL loved a kid at 8 would they "overpay" to make that happen.


    You are 100% correct that some team might overpay to move up, and in fact Edmonton should try squeeze whatever value they can out of a trade if some desperate team tries to move up, but even then no way Habs trade Gallagher for just 7 spots.
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    Apr. 16, 2019 at 4:39 p.m.
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    Edited Apr. 16, 2019 at 4:48 p.m.
    Quoting: RWellington
    Disagree and you clearly didnt read the context of the trade... go back and think about what i wrote and why MTL would be compelled to move up 7 places in the draft.
    Also consider the fact teams are forced to overpay in order to do so, this deal also addresses MTLs biggest need (LHD)

    I don't have to read the context of a terrible trade idea to know that its a terrible trade idea. That's like implying the context of the Lucic contract is justifiable! It doesn't change the fact that its a terrible contract.

    Also, teams are not "forced" to overpay in terms of offers. Teams simply make offers and attempt to attain the value they seek. If they don't meet the negotiated values for a number of different reasons, teams can simply exercise the right to refuse an offer. That's why you see people posting things like "MTL says No" etc...

    I understand you feel like EDM had been "forced" to make the deals they made in the past, but those weren't actually forced. They were simply bad evaluations they didn't reject.
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 6:21 p.m.
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    I don't have to read the context of a terrible trade idea to know that its a terrible trade idea. That's like implying the context of the Lucic contract is justifiable! It doesn't change the fact that its a terrible contract.

    Also, teams are not "forced" to overpay in terms of offers. Teams simply make offers and attempt to attain the value they seek. If they don't meet the negotiated values for a number of different reasons, teams can simply exercise the right to refuse an offer. That's why you see people posting things like "MTL says No" etc...

    I understand you feel like EDM had been "forced" to make the deals they made in the past, but those weren't actually forced. They were simply bad evaluations they didn't reject.


    hahaha that is quite the analogy. People will try jamming Lucic in the faces of Oilers fans like they signed that deal, gimme a break buddy. How is Lucic signing a $6x7 anything like the trade i suggested?
    How is MTL adding a player in the draft that they love, plus serviceable LHD anything like the Lucic deal?? You lose all credibility when you make irrationale claims like that.

    You've taken the word forced out of context but while we are on the subject did OTT receive the value they sought on Hoffman or were they forced into a deal? But i am so glad you've given me the trading 101 lesson, i hope contract negotiations 102 is next!! Teams are forced to overpay when you talk about certain types of deals which include draft deals of teams improving their pick, acquiring top tier talent often means overpaying and TDL deals are 50/50 overpays. Forced is not a scary word, i'm not talking about water boarding the MTL GM here
    People can disagree with the AGM team / trades that doesnt bother me, what bothers me is people who can't / don't read the logic because they misinterpret the entire rationale around a deal. Instead they focus only on the deal and get butt-hurt when a player they love is included in a deal. The logic asks would MTL move up and could EDM squeeze a winger as part of a return.

    You understand nothing, i have hated virtually every deal the Oilers have made going back to 2007 sooooo
    Apr. 16, 2019 at 7:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: RWellington
    Care to explain ?


    Gallagher has been one of MTL's best possession players and best scorers for years, he's not going anywhere, especially not to EDM if what the team really need (a youngish established top pairing LD aka Klefbom or Nurse) is not involved.
    Apr. 17, 2019 at 11:58 a.m.
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    Quoting: RWellington
    hahaha that is quite the analogy. People will try jamming Lucic in the faces of Oilers fans like they signed that deal, gimme a break buddy. How is Lucic signing a $6x7 anything like the trade i suggested?
    How is MTL adding a player in the draft that they love, plus serviceable LHD anything like the Lucic deal?? You lose all credibility when you make irrationale claims like that.

    The reason the Lucic deal has "anything to do" with this argument is related to the cap dump of Sekera moving out of EDM onto another team. The cap era is what's relative to all 31 (soon to be 32) NHL teams, and Sekera is seen more as a cap dump than he is as a serviceable LHD, due to his injuries over the past 2 seasons. EDM even had to make a trade work out to have Sekera come back to their lineup from his AHL conditioning stint, thanks to the cap situation. So the reason the Lucic contract keeps coming back to haunt Oilers fans is because of that direct correlation.

    Something else to point out that you've mentioned from the quote above, about "MTL adding a player in the draft that they love" is that MTL has their own 1st round pick in 2019 at 15th overall, and could still end up having the rookie they want with that pick. The draft order is what creates parity among NHL teams every draft year. MTL moving up 7 spots with this terrible trade idea isn't something that benefits MTL so much that they send a player like Gallagher out of town!

    As for my "credibility", I'm not even worried the slightest about that. Your perception of my "irrational(e) claims" on subjects about any player contracts on any particular team where trade offers are concerned, is my ability to evaluate players. I'm simply expressing my evaluation of your terrible trade idea.

    Quoting: RWellington
    You've taken the word forced out of context but while we are on the subject did OTT receive the value they sought on Hoffman or were they forced into a deal? But i am so glad you've given me the trading 101 lesson, i hope contract negotiations 102 is next!! Teams are forced to overpay when you talk about certain types of deals which include draft deals of teams improving their pick, acquiring top tier talent often means overpaying and TDL deals are 50/50 overpays. Forced is not a scary word, i'm not talking about water boarding the MTL GM here

    The Hoffman situation didn't even have to happen! OTT could have retained Hoffman and EK65 ended up being traded either way. The point of the Hoffman trade was to help appease keeping EK65 with the Sens, but in the end OTT shipped out EK65 when re-negotiations on a new contract weren't working out between the two parties. In no way was OTT ever "forced" to make a trade. Look at Columbus, with their situation with Panarin and Bobrovksy. Instead of shipping them out at the Trade Deadline, they chose to keep them, and even add more players with expiring UFA contracts on July 1st, 2019. They now have a very risk adverse situation after the 2019 playoffs, but that was something they were willing to accept moving forward with the team that they had available at that time.

    Quoting: RWellington
    People can disagree with the AGM team / trades that doesnt bother me, what bothers me is people who can't / don't read the logic because they misinterpret the entire rationale around a deal. Instead they focus only on the deal and get butt-hurt when a player they love is included in a deal. The logic asks would MTL move up and could EDM squeeze a winger as part of a return.

    To be honest, I don't actually care about Gallagher, or the Habs. MTL were well rounded this past season and had a few surprises that worked for them. I've even read your rationale around this terrible trade idea, and it doesn't hold enough weight to warrant MTL making this deal work. So a logical answer for you, is that MTL would not move up the draft order from 15th overall to 8th overall with a cap dump like Sekera involved (since they already have Alzner anyway) and send their best right handed winger in the process. I am not misinterpreting anything from your descriptions above. I evaluated it, had a good laugh (thank you), and replied.

    Quoting: RWellington
    You understand nothing, i have hated virtually every deal the Oilers have made going back to 2007 sooooo

    I think I understand a lot more than you give credit to. I'm sorry that EDM has been one of the worst managed teams since 2007. I have lived in EDM for 4 years myself and witnessed first-hand what the Oilers have done. There are still a few good things working in EDM's favor, like having McDavid locked up long term along with Draisaitl. They still have more work to do though, and I understand that gaining a winger to help McDavid this coming season will be a priority, along with bringing in a right-handed defender (from development or trades) to compliment Klefbom.

    Do you know what EDM could do instead of any trades? They could make an offer to a free agent player like Jeff Skinner, but that might require some cap relief first. There could be a buyout on the horizon? There are so many other options that could help EDM better than making offers like this one.
     
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