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Between cleanout day and draft day

Created by: awesome
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 17, 2019
Published: Apr. 19, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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doesn't include any outside free agent signings that might happen. But Rutherford tends to not have a great track record when it comes to UFA signings. Im not even sure if they will resign Wilson or Prow(for different reasons) but I have them both listed on the roster here, obviously the roster size isn't correct.

We know one high cap defenseman has to go, it would make the most sense to be Maatta because it moves enough cap and also the left side has more people capable of replacing somebody. Otherwise I would say maybe move Schultz if they cant resign him since they could get a decent return but it would be tougher to replace him. If they do get rid of Schultz Prow would be more likely to be kept imo.

The kessel deal, I really am not a person who wants to trade kessel. On top of that it is difficult because of team and value. Arizona seems to be one of the ones that would make some sense, value wise this might not be perfect, might have to adjust the draft picks quite a bit.

Also these aren't the exact lines it would be.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,250,000
3$2,000,000
1$900,000
1$1,000,000
2$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
1$750,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (MTL)
  2. 2019 5th round pick (CHI)
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could be a different team, since its just draft picks it doesn't really matter. A few teams should be interested.
2.
PIT
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
could be another team, Jarry could have a solid future but is out of options, so either him or DeSmith would have to be traded.
3.
PIT
  1. Garland, Conor
  2. Grabner, Michael
  3. 2019 1st round pick (ARI)
  4. 2020 1st round pick (ARI)
Additional Details:
removed conditional from the 2020 pick
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,000,000$76,557,500$132,500$0$6,442,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,050,000$2,050,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$900,000$900,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$3,350,000$3,350,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,750,000$3,750,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Apr. 19, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.
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not enough for kessel.
Apr. 19, 2019 at 5:12 p.m.
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not enough for kessel.


originally I had the two players, and two firsts going to Pittsburgh for just Phil. But I ended up making the second pick conditional on something that is reasonable so its still likely two firsts but could be a second.(although maybe im underestimating how much more rare points are for the coyotes as opposed to penguins). and added the picks coming from Pittsburgh(with a relatively reasonable conditional, so it could be just the fifth but also maybe a third)
Apr. 19, 2019 at 9:22 p.m.
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originally I had the two players, and two firsts going to Pittsburgh for just Phil. But I ended up making the second pick conditional on something that is reasonable so its still likely two firsts but could be a second.(although maybe im underestimating how much more rare points are for the coyotes as opposed to penguins). and added the picks coming from Pittsburgh(with a relatively reasonable conditional, so it could be just the fifth but also maybe a third)


changed it back to my original idea now. Two firsts without any conditions attached.
Apr. 20, 2019 at 2:37 a.m.
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I don't see a team giving up 2 1st round picks for Kessel.

My guess is it's a 1st and a player. But the player has to have decent potential.
Apr. 20, 2019 at 1:44 p.m.
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I don't see a team giving up 2 1st round picks for Kessel.

My guess is it's a 1st and a player. But the player has to have decent potential.


that's why I kinda adjusted it to begin with so it wasn't as much unless Kessel had a very good season still.

The problem with doing one where its just one pick and a player is teams trading for kessel are gonna be teams interested in competing either now or very soon. So unless they are trading away from immense depth for a need(for example, Nashville trading defense for Phil) its tough to make happen. There are only a few situations where that would work. There are some teams that wouldn't be able to do that type of deal but could give up picks instead. Then there is the fact of where Phil would or wouldn't want to go. So the number of potential trade partners (IF he is traded) isn't too high.
Apr. 24, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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that's why I kinda adjusted it to begin with so it wasn't as much unless Kessel had a very good season still.

The problem with doing one where its just one pick and a player is teams trading for kessel are gonna be teams interested in competing either now or very soon. So unless they are trading away from immense depth for a need(for example, Nashville trading defense for Phil) its tough to make happen. There are only a few situations where that would work. There are some teams that wouldn't be able to do that type of deal but could give up picks instead. Then there is the fact of where Phil would or wouldn't want to go. So the number of potential trade partners (IF he is traded) isn't too high.


I have never once stated trading Phil would be easy. But they aren't moving him unless there is a real return and how to quantify that return is the problem.
A bubble team like AZ isn't going to give up two 1st. Even a trade to a team like Nashville, isn't likely. Most of the ACGM trades on here between the two really don't give a great return.
And that's the problem in trading Kessel. You got a PPG player, on a very low contract (thanks again toronto the curse of the hotdog still lives on), and there is a NMC, while he's a aging player.

There is really one 1 "bad" year on that contract. The last year. The rest of the years shouldn't be all to bad. Good players can play well in their early 30s so the next two years are just fine He'll only be 33.
He's got at least two high scoring quality years left. The question is what is that worth and to whom.
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Apr. 25, 2019 at 12:22 a.m.
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I have never once stated trading Phil would be easy. But they aren't moving him unless there is a real return and how to quantify that return is the problem.
A bubble team like AZ isn't going to give up two 1st. Even a trade to a team like Nashville, isn't likely. Most of the ACGM trades on here between the two really don't give a great return.
And that's the problem in trading Kessel. You got a PPG player, on a very low contract (thanks again toronto the curse of the hotdog still lives on), and there is a NMC, while he's a aging player.

There is really one 1 "bad" year on that contract. The last year. The rest of the years shouldn't be all to bad. Good players can play well in their early 30s so the next two years are just fine He'll only be 33.
He's got at least two high scoring quality years left. The question is what is that worth and to whom.


im not even certain if he will be traded at all, if he does get traded I think there is a few likely destinations with Arizona or Nashville being higher on the list. I agree most of the deals I have seen for Kessel isn't nearly enough coming back. He is a star player who has a few very good seasons left and as you pointed out Toronto is still paying part of his salary which wasn't too outrageous at todays cap hits anyway.
wherever he goes the return should be high, what form it takes(more current players with only a bit of futures, or more futures with a bit less current players) is to be seen.
Apr. 25, 2019 at 1:18 a.m.
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im not even certain if he will be traded at all, if he does get traded I think there is a few likely destinations with Arizona or Nashville being higher on the list. I agree most of the deals I have seen for Kessel isn't nearly enough coming back. He is a star player who has a few very good seasons left and as you pointed out Toronto is still paying part of his salary which wasn't too outrageous at todays cap hits anyway.
wherever he goes the return should be high, what form it takes(more current players with only a bit of futures, or more futures with a bit less current players) is to be seen.


I mean when you think about it, you are looking at the cost of basically a 2 year rental. Which I would say is worth 2 1st, but they would be low round and frankly underwhelming of a return.
Maybe the value of Stone is a fair comparable. But that doesn't seem like a trade any team would have made unless they absolutely had to.
 
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