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Getting the 4th OA and 8th OA picks

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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 22, 2019
Published: Apr. 22, 2019
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Montreal Draft Bowen Byram 4th OA, Cole Caufield 8 OA, Raphael Lavoie 15th OA
Free Agent Signings
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2$1,100,000
4$2,500,000
2$1,750,000
6$3,000,000
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2$1,900,000
3$2,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Byram, Bowen
3$925,000
Caufield, Cole
3$925,000
Lavoie, Raphael
3$925,000
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MTL
  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  3. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)
2.
MTL
  1. 2019 1st round pick (OTT)
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Lavoie, Raphael
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:22 p.m.
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How does that deal make any sense to EDM? The Oil would likely move back in the 1st round but no out all together

The Oilers won't use their 1st rounder in order to move Lucic. They will likely look to draft the best available forward with the 8OV
Puljujarvi may not be long with the Oil however they can't afford to throw him away
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:25 p.m.
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I like the EDM trade both ways. EDM screws up with prospects anyway, so I'd do it if I were EDM. So much cap space to work with and a decent middle- to bottom-6 forward plus good goalie prospect gained in the process.

Also that COL trade is also intriguing. If I were COL I'd certainly consider it.
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: RWellington
How does that deal make any sense to EDM? The Oil would likely move back in the 1st round but no out all together

The Oilers won't use their 1st rounder in order to move Lucic. They will likely look to draft the best available forward with the 8OV
Puljujarvi may not be long with the Oil however they can't afford to throw him away


You receive a 20 goals scorer & one of the best goalie prospect in the league
Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Poehling
You receive a 20 goals scorer & one of the best goalie prospect in the league


While those are nice additions one of EDMs biggest needs is team controlled skilled forwards (top 6 talent), which EDM may be giving up 2 of in that deal (jury is still out on 98).
The deal is essentially pay MTL to take Lucic no retained salary and unfortunately EDM has too many other pressing areas that they cant afford to waste an asset in the 2019 1st rounder
Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:37 p.m.
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As much as I like Byram and he is exactly what montreal needs, I feel like Drouin + Suzuki is too much for him
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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Way too much given to COL! I'm not sure I'd do it for Drouin alone... Adding Suzuki completely destroy the trade
Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:48 p.m.
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That ain’t it chief
Apr. 22, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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Way too much given to COL! I'm not sure I'd do it for Drouin alone... Adding Suzuki completely destroy the trade



Drouin isn’t even worth close to fourth overall. He fetched 9th overall a few seasons ago (Sergachev) And his value has dropped since then
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:00 p.m.
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That ain’t it chief


Witch one is not enough ?
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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I don't feel comfortable giving up drouin and Suzuki for Byram. If they could move drouin for byram I'd do it, but adding suzuki is too much. It's probably what it would take to get him, but I'd probably back out of that scenario if I was the habs.

The Oilers trade is actually pretty fair.. those that don't think so are undervaluing Primeau in my opinion.

The trade solves a lot of issues for Edmonton. Cap space check. Future starting goalie check. Speedy winger who scores 20 goals a year, kills penalties, and can play throughout the lineup check.

Yes they give up the 8th overall pick, but I think the return is worth it, depending on how primeau's value is perceived. Puljujarvi looks like a bust.
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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Drouin isn’t even worth close to fourth overall. He fetched 9th overall a few seasons ago (Sergachev) And his value has dropped since then


9th overall or the 2nd best D of the draft ?
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:03 p.m.
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I don't feel comfortable giving up drouin and Suzuki for Byram. If they could move drouin for byram I'd do it, but adding suzuki is too much. It's probably what it would take to get him, but I'd probably back out of that scenario if I was the habs.

The Oilers trade is actually pretty fair.. those that don't think so are undervaluing Primeau in my opinion.

The trade solves a lot of issues for Edmonton. Cap space check. Future starting goalie check. Speedy winger who scores 20 goals a year, kills penalties, and can play throughout the lineup check.

Yes they give up the 8th overall pick, but I think the return is worth it, depending on how primeau's value is perceived. Puljujarvi looks like a bust.


But Colorado will be looking for a Center with potentiel, more than Evans :/
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:07 p.m.
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But Colorado will be looking for a Center with potentiel, more than Evans :/


Drouin and evans, I would do, but you're right it will probably take Suzuki, which i wouldnt do.
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:21 p.m.
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9th overall or the 2nd best D of the draft ?


What do you mean? I’m saying Ottawa’s pick is worth more than Drouin based off his last trade
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:24 p.m.
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What do you mean? I’m saying Ottawa’s pick is worth more than Drouin based off his last trade


Can’t explain in English for this one sorry
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:27 p.m.
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Way too much given to COL! I'm not sure I'd do it for Drouin alone... Adding Suzuki completely destroy the trade


you guys were up in arms about trading the 3rd overall for ROR...you think Drouin is worth more than the 4th? ROR is 10 times the player Drouin. So if ROR isnt worth the 3rd overall in Habs land, Drouin isnt worth the 4th
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:31 p.m.
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you guys were up in arms about trading the 3rd overall for ROR...you think Drouin is worth more than the 4th? ROR is 10 times the player Drouin. So if ROR isnt worth the 3rd overall in Habs land, Drouin isnt worth the 4th


ROR was a ~65 points player all is career, Drouin is project to be a 80 points winger. But you are right ROR worth more than Drouin.
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:41 p.m.
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ROR was a ~65 points player all is career, Drouin is project to be a 80 points winger. But you are right ROR worth more than Drouin.


Drouin is projected to be a ppg player? Based on what? His 194 pts in a career 322 games over the past 5 years.
ROR is one of the top defensive centres in the league while outscoring drouin by a large margin ever as "a career 65 point player".

Drouin is a one dimensional offensive winger, (he is not a Centre, he cant play that position) who has a career high of 53 points and only once scored 20 goals. Take the rose coloured glassed off
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.
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Drouin is projected to be a ppg player? Based on what? His 194 pts in a career 322 games over the past 5 years.
ROR is one of the top defensive centres in the league while outscoring drouin by a large margin ever as "a career 65 point player".

Drouin is a one dimensional offensive winger, (he is not a Centre, he cant play that position) who has a career high of 53 points and only once scored 20 goals. Take the rose coloured glassed off


Drouin is between the is project & was project to be. Right now he's a 2nd line winger. FYI I trade Drouin + Suzuki for the 4th OA, so I know Drouin is not even close to get the 4th OA alone
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:50 p.m.
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Drouin is between the is project & was project to be. Right now he's a 2nd line winger. FYI I trade Drouin + Suzuki for the 4th OA, so I know Drouin is not even close to get the 4th OA alone


Hes not going to just magically turn into a ppg 1st line winger in his 6th year in the season and over 300 nhl games. What you see now is more than likely his base line going forward, like you said a 2nd line Winger....Hes a Ryan Dzingel type.
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:55 p.m.
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What do you mean? I’m saying Ottawa’s pick is worth more than Drouin based off his last trade


Montreal insured Sergachev was an NHL ready player at the time of the trade, by including a conditional 2nd, and Drouin's value was low at the time due to publicized conflicts with the organization and Tampa's desire to unload him.
#4 for Drouin is a calculated risk without that insurance, Drouin's put the off-ice distractions behind him, and Montreal management has no need or desire to move him.

The immediate benefit of acquiring Drouin for Colorado is worth the potential benefit of picking 4th OA which likely won't result in an NHL player next season, let alone a top 6 winger, and carries a risk of not panning out at all.
Apr. 22, 2019 at 3:59 p.m.
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Hes not going to just magically turn into a ppg 1st line winger in his 6th year in the season and over 300 nhl games. What you see now is more than likely his base line going forward, like you said a 2nd line Winger....Hes a Ryan Dzingel type.


Lol comparing Dzingel I’ll stop talking to you rn
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 4:00 p.m.
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Hes not going to just magically turn into a ppg 1st line winger in his 6th year in the season and over 300 nhl games. What you see now is more than likely his base line going forward, like you said a 2nd line Winger....Hes a Ryan Dzingel type.

The point is... We're not trading this guy now without having the return we want. That's it. Many habs fans want him out because he wasn't able to put as most points as Domi last season, while playing with an 18 yo C and a guy like Lehkonen or Armia... These aren't great conditions for him to produce. In his firs 60 games, he had 50 pts... Not bad. He was playing with Domi back then. We're simply not trading a guy with this potential...
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 4:05 p.m.
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The point is... We're not trading this guy now without having the return we want. That's it. Many habs fans want him out because he wasn't able to put as most points as Domi last season, while playing with an 18 yo C and a guy like Lehkonen or Armia... These aren't great conditions for him to produce. In his firs 60 games, he had 50 pts... Not bad. He was playing with Domi back then. We're simply not trading a guy with this potential...


I agree with you, his potential is still alluring, but what he did last season, and what he has done in his career to date, nothing about it justifies that sort of value of a 4th overall pick. However you can claim Drouin had lesser wingers but he was 3rd in TOI of all the Habs fwds last year, first among PP time of the fwds and 4th in 5v5. That may so about the linemates but based on his ice time he should have been producing more than he did

However they its getting a critical junction for him, hes going to be past that he has potential justifications. He shouldnt be a guy still tryign to figure it out going into his 6 nhl season and over 300 nhl games
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Apr. 22, 2019 at 4:07 p.m.
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I agree with you, his potential is still alluring, but what he did last season, and what he has done in his career to date, nothing about it justifies that sort of value of a 4th overall pick. However you can claim Drouin had lesser wingers but he was 3rd in TOI of all the Habs fwds last year, first among PP time of the fwds and 4th in 5v5. That may so about the linemates but based on his ice time he should have been producing more than he did

However they its getting a critical junction for him, hes going to be past that he has potential justifications. He shouldnt be a guy still tryign to figure it out going into his 6 nhl season and over 300 nhl games


The PP didn’t produce. Brayden Point have almost more goal on the PP than Mtl PP lmao
 
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