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Tidal Wave of PK Subban Rumors

Created by: Shakabakes
Initial Creation Date: Apr 23, 2019
Published: Apr 23, 2019 at 6:58 am
Team: 2018-19 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
Obviously Shattenkirk would have to waive his NMC.

Didn't think of this as an option earlier. But with the Predators eliminated, I noticed the rush of Subban trade proposals.

Don't know why, but might as well throw something out there to gauge interest.
Trades
NYR
  1. Subban, P.K.
NSH
  1. Kreider, Chris ($2,275,000 retained)
  2. Shattenkirk, Kevin
Buyouts
  • Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
  • Brad Richards: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Chris Kreider: $2,275,000 (49.19%)
  • Mats Zuccarello: $1,350,000 (30%)
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (19%)
  • Ryan Spooner: $900,000 (23%)
Buried
  • Matt Beleskey: $875,000 ($1,900,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
NYR
WPG
NYR
DAL
TBL
NYR
CBJ
NYR
NYR
CBJ
2020
NYR
NYR
NYR
DAL
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NSH
VAN
2021
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$79,500,000$68,274,859$0$2,965,000$11,225,141
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Vesey, Jimmy
$2,275,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
UFA - 4
NYR
Namestnikov, Vladislav
$3,250,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 2
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
LW, C
RFA - 3
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$3,100,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
NYR
Fast, Jesper
$1,850,000
RW
UFA - 2
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$839,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Andersson, Lias
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 3
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 3
NYR
Nieves, Cristoval
$708,750
C, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Brickley, Connor
$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Smith, Brendan
$4,350,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
NYR
Lundqvist, Henrik
$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 6
NYR
Pionk, Neal
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 2
NYR
Hájek, Libor
$833,333
LD
RFA - 3
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
NYR
Claesson, Fredrik
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
NSH
Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4

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Apr 23, 2019 at 7:11
#1
Bcarlo25
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I mean, you’re trading a rental and a cap dump for pk subban. Other teams will offer more. I feel like Toronto would offer Nylander, Zaitsev, and significant assets
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Apr 23, 2019 at 7:39
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I mean, you’re trading a rental and a cap dump for pk subban. Other teams will offer more. I feel like Toronto would offer Nylander, Zaitsev, and significant assets


I felt the same way. But looking at some of the proposals, they are almost treating Subban as a Cap dump. Maybe it's just reactionary after getting eliminated. Figured I would go small and add on from there.
Apr 23, 2019 at 7:40
#3
Go Bruins Go
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I feel like if you trade WPG 1st, Shattenkirk, Kreider, and your 1st next year, you are in the ballpark
Apr 23, 2019 at 7:55
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Bcarlo25
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Quoting: The_Real_FBGM_37
I feel like if you trade WPG 1st, Shattenkirk, Kreider, and your 1st next year, you are in the ballpark


Probably what it would take, but I am all aboard the “subban isn’t that good,” train. Elite second pairing d man
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Apr 23, 2019 at 8:11
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Quoting: The_Real_FBGM_37
I feel like if you trade WPG 1st, Shattenkirk, Kreider, and your 1st next year, you are in the ballpark


Not sure about the 1st for next year, but I am on board with the rest.
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Apr 23, 2019 at 8:32
#6
DanzhastheTouch
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I mean, you’re trading a rental and a cap dump for pk subban. Other teams will offer more. I feel like Toronto would offer Nylander, Zaitsev, and significant assets


Quoting: Shakabakes
I felt the same way. But looking at some of the proposals, they are almost treating Subban as a Cap dump. Maybe it's just reactionary after getting eliminated. Figured I would go small and add on from there.


Quoting: The_Real_FBGM_37
I feel like if you trade WPG 1st, Shattenkirk, Kreider, and your 1st next year, you are in the ballpark


First things first.. Chris Kreider..no one should be referring to him as "just a rental", when next to Mika Zibanejad, he was the Rangers' best player. And since a number of these proposals have been about prying Kreider away, you cannot have your "rental" cake, and eat it, too.

The Rangers have cap room to fit a P.K. Subban without having to necessarily make a player swap to strike a deal. Nashville may want multiple assets or may want a cap dump in this case.

Honestly, it seems like more of a deal where Nashville will take help on their left wing (think Vesey, Namestnikov) at less cap cost, than taking more cap, even for one to two seasons.

Right now, Toronto is in a cap crunch; while they might want a Subban, giving Matthews and Tavares before him each $11+ million and Nylander a bonus ladened contract is giving them a fit, with them being to lock up so many others. Adding Subban would not be smart, even if Nashville ate 50% of the cap hit.

The Rangers face a roster crunch, as the kids are coming. The forwards in particular are going to get better quickly; Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Lemieux, Buchnevich..under the leadership of Zibanejad and Kreider: not to mention Kratsov, and either of Kakko or Hughes--that is nine forwards I've named. Strome makes ten. And, if Smith isn't moved, that's eleven.

Vesey, Namestnikov and, oh, by the way, Fast; which means 14.

My point is, reassess your look at the Rangers' roster, and try again.
Apr 23, 2019 at 8:37
#7
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: danzhock10
First things first.. Chris Kreider..no one should be referring to him as "just a rental", when next to Mika Zibanejad, he was the Rangers' best player. And since a number of these proposals have been about prying Kreider away, you cannot have your "rental" cake, and eat it, too.

The Rangers have cap room to fit a P.K. Subban without having to necessarily make a player swap to strike a deal. Nashville may want multiple assets or may want a cap dump in this case.

Honestly, it seems like more of a deal where Nashville will take help on their left wing (think Vesey, Namestnikov) at less cap cost, than taking more cap, even for one to two seasons.

Right now, Toronto is in a cap crunch; while they might want a Subban, giving Matthews and Tavares before him each $11+ million and Nylander a bonus ladened contract is giving them a fit, with them being to lock up so many others. Adding Subban would not be smart, even if Nashville ate 50% of the cap hit.

The Rangers face a roster crunch, as the kids are coming. The forwards in particular are going to get better quickly; Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Lemieux, Buchnevich..under the leadership of Zibanejad and Kreider: not to mention Kratsov, and either of Kakko or Hughes--that is nine forwards I've named. Strome makes ten. And, if Smith isn't moved, that's eleven.

Vesey, Namestnikov and, oh, by the way, Fast; which means 14.

My point is, reassess your look at the Rangers' roster, and try again.


Kreider is a pending ufa. He’s a rental
Apr 23, 2019 at 8:39
#8
DanzhastheTouch
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Kreider is a pending ufa. He’s a rental


You're a rental. And he isn't going anywhere.
Apr 23, 2019 at 8:45
#9
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: danzhock10
You're a rental. And he isn't going anywhere.


K. In this acgm he was being traded....as a rental
Apr 23, 2019 at 9:10
#10
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I mean, you’re trading a rental and a cap dump for pk subban. Other teams will offer more. I feel like Toronto would offer Nylander, Zaitsev, and significant assets


I hope not.... lol. Need a defensive guy. Too many offensive minded Dmen... and I personally can’t stsnd PK.
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Apr 23, 2019 at 10:36
#11
Stars GM for V3
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Subban has always been risk/reward.
Nashville struggled offensively, especially on the PP. Perhaps that's part of the reason they gave him more offensive starts or he tried to do too much. His strengths are supposed to be transition, speed, and zone entry. If you start him in the OZone, you're taking that away.
Move him closer to 40/60 for OZ and he'll be back to where he was last year, assuming the PP isn't abysmal again.
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Apr 23, 2019 at 11:16
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I mean, you’re trading a rental and a cap dump for pk subban. Other teams will offer more. I feel like Toronto would offer Nylander, Zaitsev, and significant assets


Shattenkirk had similar numbers to Subban while recovering from knee surgery, on the team with among the least regulation wins in the league. And Krieder would instantly be one of Nashville's best forwards. For the most distracted player in the NHL who also happens to be the biggest distraction in the NHL, who carries a 9.5 mil cap hit for 3 more seasons for the points production of Anthony DeAngelo. lol Okay.
Apr 23, 2019 at 11:17
#13
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: saysthemachine
Shattenkirk had similar numbers to Subban while recovering from knee surgery, on the team with among the least regulation wins in the league. And Krieder would instantly be one of Nashville's best forwards. For the most distracted player in the NHL who also happens to be the biggest distraction in the NHL, who carries a 9.5 mil cap hit for 3 more seasons for the points production of Anthony DeAngelo. lol Okay.


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