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Picking up players other teams want rid of

Created by: Dwight_Schrute
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 26, 2019
Published: Apr. 26, 2019
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Brown I trade for what basically everyone projects Brown to get traded for. Simple enough.

Vesey I see going mostly for third rounders and lottery ticket prospects, so I ask the Rangers to take 1 year of Gagner's salary with a lottery ticket and a project d-man that actually made the american WJHC team last year.

Hoffman is someone I think Florida moves on from, they are going to make a run at the big name FAs and need money to do it, plus Hoffman only has a year left. They paid a lot less than the package that I am offering to get him, I actually think its an overpay on the Oilers part but my god to they need scoring wingers.

Drouin will be the controversial one. But its three top 90 picks over the next few years including the 8th overall this year and a fairly promising prospect for a player that most fans seem to want rid of.
Free Agent Signings
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1$1,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$850,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)
2.
FLA
  1. Bear, Ethan
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
3.
MTL
  1. McLeod, Ryan [Reserve List]
  2. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (EDM)
4.
NYR
  1. Gagner, Sam
  2. Kemp, Philip [Reserve List]
  3. Safin, Ostap
  4. 2019 2nd round pick (EDM)
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$83,000,000$81,218,665$0$300,000$1,781,335

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,187,500$5,187,500
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 6
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Rangers
$2,275,000$2,275,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$230,000$230K)
RW
RFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC, NMC
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$850,000$850,000
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UFA - 2

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Apr. 26, 2019 at 12:40 p.m.
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Wow, this team doesn’t look horrible. Trades seem close to fair. Good job.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 12:50 p.m.
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The problem here is, no matter the result of your team in the short term, long term this team will suffer. You liberally trade away high picks and prospects for the short term gain. Not necessarily a great move by a team that is still in rebuild
Apr. 26, 2019 at 12:52 p.m.
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rangers take that deal and RUN
Apr. 26, 2019 at 12:54 p.m.
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The Drouin trade isn't the worst I've seen on here... Good job! I still doubt that MB trade him two years after getting him. MTL fans (most of them) are always bipolar with that kind of player, but if he start the year like he did last season, those same fans will claim he's the best frenchy since Lafleur!
Apr. 26, 2019 at 12:55 p.m.
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Given that Drouin hasn't captured the hearts of Montreal's Quebec-based fans, I could certainly see them do this deal, especially since it would allow them to press for Panarin or Duchene.

And, kudos, the Oilers would be a much better team for this.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Skyraider112
The problem here is, no matter the result of your team in the short term, long term this team will suffer. You liberally trade away high picks and prospects for the short term gain. Not necessarily a great move by a team that is still in rebuild


The only one that is irreplaceable is the 8th overall pick that is helping to turn into 4 years of Drouin, the seconds and thirds can be recouped in other ways. Safin, Kemp and Mcleoud are all considered projects that may not even make the NHL, Bear will likely get to the league but his role is as a third pair/pp2 guy, valuable but not irreplaceable. Then there is Puljujarvi, who is this enigma that I am banking on Florida thinking they can solve. If they cant and he is what he is then I think we make off like bandits in that deal.

Worth noting that Vesey and Drouin are very young, and Hoffman has a fair amount of his prime still ahead. Drouin is under contract for a few more years and Vesey is affordable to extend. I dont see as much of a risk as you do here I guess.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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EDM Defense still too weak to compete.
Trades do seem fair, first line would be deadly.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:12 p.m.
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Meh - #8 will likely be better than Drouin in 2 years - and for many years after that. Take a patient approach with your best assets, this may be the last time you get to draft this high for a decade or 2.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:16 p.m.
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Meh - #8 will likely be better than Drouin in 2 years - and for many years after that. Take a patient approach with your best assets, this may be the last time you get to draft this high for a decade or 2.


I guess you and I value that pick differently. First, the guys projected around 8 all seem to be wanting to go the college route (Turcotte, Boldy), so god knows when we see them. I also dont think youre giving enough credit to how good Drouin is, I know he under produced late last year but the guy is good.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:17 p.m.
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Decent moves. I think EDM slightly overpays in most of them, but the team does look better.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:21 p.m.
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I guess you and I value that pick differently. First, the guys projected around 8 all seem to be wanting to go the college route (Turcotte, Boldy), so god knows when we see them. I also dont think youre giving enough credit to how good Drouin is, I know he under produced late last year but the guy is good.


Who would you protect in the expansion draft? I ask this because #8 doesn't require a slot, Drouin does.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:23 p.m.
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Worth noting that Vesey and Drouin are very young, and Hoffman has a fair amount of his prime still ahead. Drouin is under contract for a few more years and Vesey is affordable to extend. I dont see as much of a risk as you do here I guess.[/quote]

Vesey screwed around how many teams coming out of college? Two or 3?
There's no way Vesey will sign in Edmonton, sure these trades make Edmonton better in the now but they'll be back to where they were before with very little in the prospect pool, not good moves for a team with very few assets like the Oilers. The Brown trade sure but the rest aren't good ideas for Edmonton.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:30 p.m.
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While you did make a great team, the future of this team became very weak. Dynasties are made through drafting and developing. Take the WPG approach and draft the roster, be patient and do it the right way.

The only deals that make sense is TOR and FLA. Even the FLA trade is iffy because of all the high quality assets you're using.

All the first and 2nd rounders you traded will most likely be better than the players you've traded for, and their value allows them to not be protected and the ELCs for 3 years they can produce at.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Skyraider112
The problem here is, no matter the result of your team in the short term, long term this team will suffer. You liberally trade away high picks and prospects for the short term gain. Not necessarily a great move by a team that is still in rebuild


Totally agree, other then Drouin and Brown after one season the Oilers would have nothing to show for all those pieces traded away cause in all reality Hoffman and Vesey aren't signing in Edmonton, these trades would be bad asset management for a team known for bad asset management.. Lol
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: ConnorsCousin
While you did make a great team, the future of this team became very weak. Dynasties are made through drafting and developing. Take the WPG approach and draft the roster, be patient and do it the right way.

The only deals that make sense is TOR and FLA. Even the FLA trade is iffy because of all the high quality assets you're using.

All the first and 2nd rounders you traded will most likely be better than the players you've traded for, and their value allows them to not be protected and the ELCs for 3 years they can produce at.


Seriously? You have that much faith in our scouting to think that the second rounders are going to turn out to be better than Mike Hoffman? You're out to lunch man... Benson is our best second round pick since Jeff Petry and he hasnt even been to the NHL yet. I honestly doubt either of Safin, or Kemp even get to the NHL (signing Kemp will also be a challenge as he is coming from the NCAA), and we are asking to much if we are hoping McLeod becomes anything more than what Vesey already is, same with Bear he is an interesting prospect but hes been a defensive liability in his pro career. He projects as a third pair guy that plays PP and excursively offensive zone starts with a defensive specialist as a partner. The biggest loss in any of these trades is the 8th overall pick but that gets us Drouin with plenty of control.

This version of the Oilers would make the playoffs and make noise once they got there I think, yeah you're taking a risk on Hoffman or Vesey re-signing but its no bigger risk than any of the things I would be giving up for them actually becoming something.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Worth noting that Vesey and Drouin are very young, and Hoffman has a fair amount of his prime still ahead. Drouin is under contract for a few more years and Vesey is affordable to extend. I dont see as much of a risk as you do here I guess.


Vesey screwed around how many teams coming out of college? Two or 3?
There's no way Vesey will sign in Edmonton, sure these trades make Edmonton better in the now but they'll be back to where they were before with very little in the prospect pool, not good moves for a team with very few assets like the Oilers. The Brown trade sure but the rest aren't good ideas for Edmonton.[/quote]

Vesey had a lot more leverage then though. I would be fine making the draft pick conditional on him re-signing. That way if he doesnt then its a cap dump, someone that might never make the NHL and a 6th(?) for a year of Vesey
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:50 p.m.
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Quoting: royle9
EDM Defense still too weak to compete.
Trades do seem fair, first line would be deadly.


Defense is no worse than it was in 2017 when they were a goal away from the WCF. I actually think it might be better. Thanks though.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 1:59 p.m.
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Who would you protect in the expansion draft? I ask this because #8 doesn't require a slot, Drouin does.


Connor, Leon, Nuge, Drouin, Hoffman, Vesey, Yammo/Benson

I dont really think it matters who the Oilers protect, I think its pretty widely accepted in by most insiders and fans with brains that the Oilers will be paying Seattle to take Lucic.
Apr. 26, 2019 at 2:20 p.m.
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The Vesey trade doesn’t make sense to me. I would rather have Gagner on the wing than Vesey. Plus your adding prospects and a second!
Apr. 26, 2019 at 2:29 p.m.
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The Vesey trade doesn’t make sense to me. I would rather have Gagner on the wing than Vesey. Plus your adding prospects and a second!


Im starting to get the feeling that I like Vesey more than pretty much everyone else. I must be missing something in thinking he would be a good fit in our top 6. Which Sam Gagner really isnt.
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Apr. 26, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.
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Vesey screwed around how many teams coming out of college? Two or 3?
There's no way Vesey will sign in Edmonton, sure these trades make Edmonton better in the now but they'll be back to where they were before with very little in the prospect pool, not good moves for a team with very few assets like the Oilers. The Brown trade sure but the rest aren't good ideas for Edmonton.


Vesey had a lot more leverage then though. I would be fine making the draft pick conditional on him re-signing. That way if he doesnt then its a cap dump, someone that might never make the NHL and a 6th(?) for a year of Vesey[/quote]

Kemp looked really good at the World Juniors, the 2nd round pick is gonna be where around 40-45?
Safin I don't know much about buy he's still a prospect in your system and Gagner for all the hatred he gets is probably still good for 30-35 points which is right about what his contract pays him for and Vesey has one 30+ point season, for a guy that's likely to not sign in Edmonton if I was the Oilers GM I wouldn't be parting with that much for him.
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Apr. 26, 2019 at 2:59 p.m.
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Seriously? You have that much faith in our scouting to think that the second rounders are going to turn out to be better than Mike Hoffman? You're out to lunch man... Benson is our best second round pick since Jeff Petry and he hasnt even been to the NHL yet. I honestly doubt either of Safin, or Kemp even get to the NHL (signing Kemp will also be a challenge as he is coming from the NCAA), and we are asking to much if we are hoping McLeod becomes anything more than what Vesey already is, same with Bear he is an interesting prospect but hes been a defensive liability in his pro career. He projects as a third pair guy that plays PP and excursively offensive zone starts with a defensive specialist as a partner. The biggest loss in any of these trades is the 8th overall pick but that gets us Drouin with plenty of control.

This version of the Oilers would make the playoffs and make noise once they got there I think, yeah you're taking a risk on Hoffman or Vesey re-signing but its no bigger risk than any of the things I would be giving up for them actually becoming something.


Difference between McLeod and Vesey is that McLeod doesn't need to be protected. Also at this point of his career, we know what Vesey is, a solid bottom 6 player. I don't think that's enough to warrant a 2nd round pick (could be anything), Kemp (could be anything), or Safin (could be anything), and Gagner (a bottom 6 F). This means you're overpaying for Vesey.

You brought up Benson, how's he doing? PPG at AHL, I would take him over Vesey. McLeod? Doing solid in CHL, I'd keep him over Vesey because he doesn't need to be protected in the expansion draft. If it was Safin alone or Safin + 4th/5th, then that'd be a fair trade.
 
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