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Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 30, 2019
Published: Apr. 30, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$9,000,000
2$1,850,000
1$1,000,000
1$800,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
Trades
1.
TBL
  1. Fast, Jesper
  2. Raddysh, Darren
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (TBL)
  4. 2019 6th round pick (NYR)
2.
3.
TBL
  1. Quenneville, John [RFA Rights]
  2. Vatanen, Sami ($2,437,500 retained)
NJD
  1. Killorn, Alex
  2. Stephens, Mitchell
  3. Thomas, Ben [RFA Rights]
  4. 2019 3rd round pick (TBL)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$78,581,664$0$1,362,500$4,418,336
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,166,666$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 6
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$833,333$833,333
RW
RFA - 2
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$147,500$148K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
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$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
G
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$0$0
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LW
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
LW, C
UFA - 2

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Apr. 30, 2019 at 4:24 p.m.
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Devils decline pretty easily
Apr. 30, 2019 at 4:27 p.m.
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What in tarnation
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Quoting: NJD74
Devils decline pretty easily


What should be changed? I don't know if Devils need Vatanen that much, but Killer is a decent 40-point winger and Stephens is a decent prospect.
Apr. 30, 2019 at 5:47 p.m.
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
What should be changed? I don't know if Devils need Vatanen that much, but Killer is a decent 40-point winger and Stephens is a decent prospect.


Unfortunately, the trade is both insufficient in value and incongruent with the Devils' needs.

First, on value: Even if Killorn is equal in value to Vatanen (which I'd disagree with), the Devils would give up the best, most NHL-ready prospect in this trade. Quenneville is a year older than Stephens, but he has been far more productive at the AHL level. Neither player is a top prospect, but Quenneville is a better bet to eventually play on an NHL bottom 6 (he will likely play on the Devils' fourth line in 2019-20). Ben Thomas has not shown NHL potential. The 3rd-round pick is not enough to bridge this gap, especially given that New Jersey also eats $2M of Cap in this trade; the Devils may have Cap space to spare, but that they'll still demand a premium to help other teams with their Cap problems.

Second, on need: To answer your question, the Devils do need Vatanen that much. He may be the best Defenseman on a team that lacks top Defensemen, and his ability to play either side of the ice has been invaluable. Meanwhile, New Jersey will have enough decent Forwards to fill out their middle-6 (especially with Hughes or Kappo on the way). If the team does need a middle-6 Forward, they could probably find one in Free Agency (one that may be cheaper than Killorn).

That being said, the Rangers trade is a cool concept. I don't know that the Rangers would give up a prospect in the deal (even if it means that they get less value from the Lightning), but the idea that Tampa could pay them to eat Callahan's contract is a good one.
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Apr. 30, 2019 at 7:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Uberrima_Fides
Unfortunately, the trade is both insufficient in value and incongruent with the Devils' needs.

First, on value: Even if Killorn is equal in value to Vatanen (which I'd disagree with), the Devils would give up the best, most NHL-ready prospect in this trade. Quenneville is a year older than Stephens, but he has been far more productive at the AHL level. Neither player is a top prospect, but Quenneville is a better bet to eventually play on an NHL bottom 6 (he will likely play on the Devils' fourth line in 2019-20). Ben Thomas has not shown NHL potential. The 3rd-round pick is not enough to bridge this gap, especially given that New Jersey also eats $2M of Cap in this trade; the Devils may have Cap space to spare, but that they'll still demand a premium to help other teams with their Cap problems.

Second, on need: To answer your question, the Devils do need Vatanen that much. He may be the best Defenseman on a team that lacks top Defensemen, and his ability to play either side of the ice has been invaluable. Meanwhile, New Jersey will have enough decent Forwards to fill out their middle-6 (especially with Hughes or Kappo on the way). If the team does need a middle-6 Forward, they could probably find one in Free Agency (one that may be cheaper than Killorn).

That being said, the Rangers trade is a cool concept. I don't know that the Rangers would give up a prospect in the deal (even if it means that they get less value from the Lightning), but the idea that Tampa could pay them to eat Callahan's contract is a good one.


With all due respect to Darren Raddysh, who is a better hockey player than I'll ever be, he is not really a prospect. And a 6th round pick is nothing. So it is really costing them Fast to take on Callahan's contract for just the last season, and they would get two good prospects and move up 30 spots in the draft. That would be too lopsided in favor of the Rangers. As a Ranger fan myself I'd say pull back one of the kids and maybe make the Ranger 6th a 4th in 2020. And really, that's still too much.
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Apr. 30, 2019 at 9:21 p.m.
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What in tarnation
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Quoting: Uberrima_Fides
Unfortunately, the trade is both insufficient in value and incongruent with the Devils' needs.

First, on value: Even if Killorn is equal in value to Vatanen (which I'd disagree with), the Devils would give up the best, most NHL-ready prospect in this trade. Quenneville is a year older than Stephens, but he has been far more productive at the AHL level. Neither player is a top prospect, but Quenneville is a better bet to eventually play on an NHL bottom 6 (he will likely play on the Devils' fourth line in 2019-20). Ben Thomas has not shown NHL potential. The 3rd-round pick is not enough to bridge this gap, especially given that New Jersey also eats $2M of Cap in this trade; the Devils may have Cap space to spare, but that they'll still demand a premium to help other teams with their Cap problems.

Second, on need: To answer your question, the Devils do need Vatanen that much. He may be the best Defenseman on a team that lacks top Defensemen, and his ability to play either side of the ice has been invaluable. Meanwhile, New Jersey will have enough decent Forwards to fill out their middle-6 (especially with Hughes or Kappo on the way). If the team does need a middle-6 Forward, they could probably find one in Free Agency (one that may be cheaper than Killorn).

That being said, the Rangers trade is a cool concept. I don't know that the Rangers would give up a prospect in the deal (even if it means that they get less value from the Lightning), but the idea that Tampa could pay them to eat Callahan's contract is a good one.


Quenneville can be dropped from the trade. I myself thought that he's more of a bust that's not a necessary piece for you but could become decent bottom-6 player in TB after a while. I constructed the move as Killorn+Stephens for Vatanen and Thomas+3rd in exchange to Quenneville and the salary retention. With all respect I gotta say NJ is one of the teams I don't know that much about so it's beneficial to have good feedback from a fan. Thanks.
May 1, 2019 at 2:22 p.m.
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Quoting: WalterT
With all due respect to Darren Raddysh, who is a better hockey player than I'll ever be, he is not really a prospect.


You're right; I got him mixed up with his brother, Taylor.
 
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