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Kadri to EDM trades with Tor Phi

Created by: ConnorMcHellebucyk
Team: 2018-19 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: May 1, 2019
Published: May 1, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Bear, Ethan
  2. Larsson, Adam
  3. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  4. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)
  5. 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)
  6. 2019 4th round pick (EDM)
  7. 2020 1st round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
ANA
  1. Brodziak, Kyle
Additional Details:
waivers
3.
PHI
  1. Benning, Matthew
  2. Yamamoto, Kailer
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (EDM)
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$79,747,416$0$0$3,252,584
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 7
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$863,333$863,333
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$675,000$675,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,835,000$2,835,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$761,250$761,250
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,950,000$1,950,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$3,200,000$3,200,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$675,000$675,000
C
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2

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May 1, 2019 at 1:07 p.m.
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Toronto accepts and buys you a case of beer.
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May 1, 2019 at 1:15 p.m.
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What the fascination trading Horton? He means nothing cap wise.
May 1, 2019 at 1:15 p.m.
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Overpayment on leafs trade underpayment to philly trade
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May 1, 2019 at 1:17 p.m.
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Flyers don't really need picks and prospects, we need a 2C and a top veteran D man
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May 1, 2019 at 1:25 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Flyers don't really need picks and prospects, we need a 2C and a top veteran D man


You.got that in aMac bro lol
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May 1, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.
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Leafs keep Horton and you remove all the picks but the 2019 1st. Leafs still send you a case of beer and the oilers get pillaged on the trade.... But atleast I Will be able to sleep at night... and I hate the oilers lol.
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May 1, 2019 at 1:42 p.m.
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What are you thinking in the Toronto trade? I think this is one of the worst proposals I've seen on here.
May 1, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
What the fascination trading Horton? He means nothing cap wise.


I've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a while now but its hard when all the info isn't easily find-able. So with what I have been able to gather, most times 9/10, it makes no difference to teams. The 1/10 time it may make a difference is only if a few specific parameters are met. (Once again, I need someone to refute this for me cuz Im not 100% sure).

Specific scenario example for Toronto:

In the off-season, teams are given a 10-15% cap ceiling bonus to help with player movement, signings, etc. But in the off season, there is no LTIR though. (I think). So in the off season, Hortons cap hit does affect the Leafs salary cap for its full hit but since the have the cap inflator, it usually doesn't hurt them. But if the Leafs were already a cap ceiling team with not enough cap coming off their books as there is new contract coming on (Marner, Kap, etc) and when those guys are signed it pushes them past the inflated 10-15% bonus cap ceiling, they wouldn't be cap compliant anymore. So in this scenario, in order to resign Marner for example, they'd have to get rid of some cap in order to actually be able to sign him and stay cap compliant. Obviously they could simply tell Marner that they'll make his contract official once they are able to put Horton on LTIR again or simply move other players instead but those are the options they have. So like I said it would be a very specific scenario for it really to effect them but it could technically make things harder for them when it comes to resigning Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson and or any potential UFA's.

If someone who knows for a fact this is wrong or right could refute this, I'd really appreciate it as I've been trying to figure it out for a while myself.
May 1, 2019 at 1:53 p.m.
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I agree. Very big overpayment to Toronto.
I don't think ppl recognize the value Larsson has. Ignoring this season's performance, he is an effective Shutdown guy, who plays a good 2way game and is a RD. LOTS of teams have asked for his name as a trade.
And that's ignoring the problem of, if you do trade Larsson, who fills his shoes as the 1st pair RD?
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May 1, 2019 at 4:00 p.m.
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I've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a while now but its hard when all the info isn't easily find-able. So with what I have been able to gather, most times 9/10, it makes no difference to teams. The 1/10 time it may make a difference is only if a few specific parameters are met. (Once again, I need someone to refute this for me cuz Im not 100% sure).

Specific scenario example for Toronto:

In the off-season, teams are given a 10-15% cap ceiling bonus to help with player movement, signings, etc. But in the off season, there is no LTIR though. (I think). So in the off season, Hortons cap hit does affect the Leafs salary cap for its full hit but since the have the cap inflator, it usually doesn't hurt them. But if the Leafs were already a cap ceiling team with not enough cap coming off their books as there is new contract coming on (Marner, Kap, etc) and when those guys are signed it pushes them past the inflated 10-15% bonus cap ceiling, they wouldn't be cap compliant anymore. So in this scenario, in order to resign Marner for example, they'd have to get rid of some cap in order to actually be able to sign him and stay cap compliant. Obviously they could simply tell Marner that they'll make his contract official once they are able to put Horton on LTIR again or simply move other players instead but those are the options they have. So like I said it would be a very specific scenario for it really to effect them but it could technically make things harder for them when it comes to resigning Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson and or any potential UFA's.

If someone who knows for a fact this is wrong or right could refute this, I'd really appreciate it as I've been trying to figure it out for a while myself.


I’ve done a lot of reading, the CBA is wordy to say the least.

To answer some of your questions... yes there is ltir In the off season and teams can have as many contracts on ltir as needed. Provided the player will miss a minimum of 24 days or 10 games into the next season. Teams do not have to put these players on opening day roster but can put them directly on ltir and fill out the rest of the roster using the relief. They then submit the roster to the league for approval. Remember that ltir contracts do still count against the cap but teams are then allotted relief they can use to spend over the cap.

Which brings me to why Horton is not on ltir this season. The relief from an ltir contract can only be used on roster players. It can not be used to pay performance bonuses. So to keep bonuses from rolling Over horton was left on IR If the leafs put Horton on ltir the only way to use the relief is to spend right to the 79.5m cap and then go above. This would cause the performance bonuses to role over to the 19/20 season.

Hopefully this makes it as clear as mud.
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May 2, 2019 at 12:29 a.m.
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Kapanen 4 Pulijarvi&Bear or nothin @ all..-~
May 2, 2019 at 12:52 a.m.
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Where do i sign for TML....i mean,,,you sure you arent part of 5th Coloumn ?

TML fans are buying you case of beer....damn stingers....hell....i pay you three night stand with 2 high-class hookers for this trade....
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May 2, 2019 at 12:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I’ve done a lot of reading, the CBA is wordy to say the least.

To answer some of your questions... yes there is ltir In the off season and teams can have as many contracts on ltir as needed. Provided the player will miss a minimum of 24 days or 10 games into the next season. Teams do not have to put these players on opening day roster but can put them directly on ltir and fill out the rest of the roster using the relief. They then submit the roster to the league for approval. Remember that ltir contracts do still count against the cap but teams are then allotted relief they can use to spend over the cap.

Which brings me to why Horton is not on ltir this season. The relief from an ltir contract can only be used on roster players. It can not be used to pay performance bonuses. So to keep bonuses from rolling Over horton was left on IR If the leafs put Horton on ltir the only way to use the relief is to spend right to the 79.5m cap and then go above. This would cause the performance bonuses to role over to the 19/20 season.

Hopefully this makes it as clear as mud.


OK thanks for clarifying that. So if that's the case, is there any scenario in which a player like Horton who would be on permanent LTIR, have an effect on a team during the offseason? Could there ever be a scenario in which a team would need to trade a "Robidas Island" contract?
May 2, 2019 at 1:02 p.m.
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OK thanks for clarifying that. So if that's the case, is there any scenario in which a player like Horton who would be on permanent LTIR, have an effect on a team during the offseason? Could there ever be a scenario in which a team would need to trade a "Robidas Island" contract?


Toronto could have benefited about 1-2m last season by trading Horton’s contract.

Scenario 1

Let’s say a team needs to pay 2m in performance bonuses because of a cap crunch they have coming next season and they have 10m in ltir contracts. This means that the team would need to keep those players on IR and stay 2m under the cap. If they were to trade those two Contracts that are on IR they would have 10m in cap space to use. This means that (since I said they have a cap crunch coming up) they could spend the 10m on Rentals and still stay 2m under the cap.

Scenario 2

A low budget team has an injured player who’s contract is not insured. The team can not afford to pay his contract to have him sit at home. This was exactly the situation that Horton put CBJ in. Toronto was able to help out and take over his contract by trading clarkson for Horton.

Most if not all contracts are insured these day so it’s not as likely as a scenario. Insurance covers 80% of the contract so if it were a big enough contract there may still be reason to trade it.
May 2, 2019 at 3:33 p.m.
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Toronto could have benefited about 1-2m last season by trading Horton’s contract.

Scenario 1

Let’s say a team needs to pay 2m in performance bonuses because of a cap crunch they have coming next season and they have 10m in ltir contracts. This means that the team would need to keep those players on IR and stay 2m under the cap. If they were to trade those two Contracts that are on IR they would have 10m in cap space to use. This means that (since I said they have a cap crunch coming up) they could spend the 10m on Rentals and still stay 2m under the cap.

Scenario 2

A low budget team has an injured player who’s contract is not insured. The team can not afford to pay his contract to have him sit at home. This was exactly the situation that Horton put CBJ in. Toronto was able to help out and take over his contract by trading clarkson for Horton.

Most if not all contracts are insured these day so it’s not as likely as a scenario. Insurance covers 80% of the contract so if it were a big enough contract there may still be reason to trade it.


Hmm ok. I knew about scenario 2 but I always assumed there would be more to scenario 1 than the performance bonus's effect. So unless there is something else we're missing there appears to be not much of a benefit overall as the scenario's don't seem to be frequent problems.

I can't remember where I heard it but I could have sworn there was more to it than that. I'll have to keep investigating but thanks for the clarification on what I didn't know. cheers
May 2, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.
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What are you thinking in the Toronto trade? I think this is one of the worst proposals I've seen on here.


I didn’t want to underpay because leafs fans would hate on me harder.
 
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