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PHI and CGY whould you do this

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Team: 2019-20 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 28, 2019
Published: May 1, 2019
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Description
Considering the aging core and the fact that Myers is Trouba's ceiling. PHI is essentially using cap space to contend now since it has all the other pieces.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$741,667
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
8$7,350,000
8$9,500,000
3$2,200,000
2$2,200,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Harkins, Jansen
  2. Stanley, Logan
  3. 2019 2nd round pick (WPG)
2.
WPG
  1. Myers, Philippe
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Brossoit, Laurent [RFA Rights]
  2. Kulikov, Dmitry
  3. Trouba, Jacob [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Trouba signs 7X7.5 extention
Brossiot is a good backup for hart (can play 30-ish games)
Kulikov is a cap dump
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$81,891,033$0$272,500$1,108,967
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
LW
UFA - 7
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
C
UFA - 5
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
LW, RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,291,667$5,291,667
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$2,916,667$2,916,667
C
UFA - 2
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$741,667$741,667
RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
RW, C, LW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$3,857,143$3,857,143
RD
UFA - 1
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$6,166,667$6,166,667
G
UFA - 5
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$775,000$775,000 (Performance Bonus$60,000$60K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$7,600,000$7,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$678,889$678,889
RD
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RD
UFA - 2

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May 1, 2019 at 6:39 p.m.
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Nope. Myers will be cheap for a few more years and has Trouba’s upside.
May 1, 2019 at 6:56 p.m.
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Doubtful.

Two uncertainties and a 2nd for Hamonic, who’s their 2nd best D
May 1, 2019 at 6:57 p.m.
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Nope. Myers will be cheap for a few more years and has Trouba’s upside.


I could understand not wanting to do this trade. But lets be realistic here, Myers does not have Trouba's upside. Myers is 22, by age 21 Trouba was already playing top 4 minutes and situations. He put up 29 points in 65 games in the NHL in his rookie season. He was a top 10 draft pick who put up dominant numbers in the NCAA before bursting into the league. Myers has potential to be a top 4 dman, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. One great season in the AHL (his 2nd season), doesn't give him Trouba's upside. I think you've got a bit of a bias as a Flyers fan. I mean no disrespect, I think Myers will be a good dman. But Trouba just put up 50 points
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May 1, 2019 at 6:57 p.m.
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I like it for the Jets. Seems like a slight overpay for Hamonic, but he fills a need
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May 1, 2019 at 7:05 p.m.
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we dont need a backup goalie, we have Talbot or Elliot, and I would like a cap dump for 2 seasons, it would just be another macDonald. and with 4 mil caught up in him, it will be harder to sign our RFA's and UFA's next season.
May 1, 2019 at 7:07 p.m.
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I could understand not wanting to do this trade. But lets be realistic here, Myers does not have Trouba's upside. Myers is 22, by age 21 Trouba was already playing top 4 minutes and situations. He put up 29 points in 65 games in the NHL in his rookie season. He was a top 10 draft pick who put up dominant numbers in the NCAA before bursting into the league. Myers has potential to be a top 4 dman, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. One great season in the AHL (his 2nd season), doesn't give him Trouba's upside. I think you've got a bit of a bias as a Flyers fan. I mean no disrespect, I think Myers will be a good dman. But Trouba just put up 50 points


Take a look at what Myers did in juniors. He dominated. He was also paired with Thomas Chabot in the World Juniors. He may be slower to bloom than Trouba but Myers does have his upside. You don’t compare upside by what someone did at the same age.
May 1, 2019 at 7:31 p.m.
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Calgary passes this up.

Hamonic plays a great role, at a great price, and will likely consider an extension at a great price.

Hamonic + [insert here] as a package for Trouba would be interesting, but with Yzerman in DET, it doesn't seem possible. The point is, CGY doesn't have any reason to weaken their Top 4 right now and go with prospects.
May 1, 2019 at 7:43 p.m.
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Trouba wants to be close to his family in Michigan especially his Mother Kristy, Don't see him in Philly. His family wants him there in Michigan.
May 1, 2019 at 7:44 p.m.
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Edited May 1, 2019 at 8:01 p.m.
Quoting: mk458
I could understand not wanting to do this trade. But lets be realistic here, Myers does not have Trouba's upside. Myers is 22, by age 21 Trouba was already playing top 4 minutes and situations. He put up 29 points in 65 games in the NHL in his rookie season. He was a top 10 draft pick who put up dominant numbers in the NCAA before bursting into the league. Myers has potential to be a top 4 dman, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. One great season in the AHL (his 2nd season), doesn't give him Trouba's upside. I think you've got a bit of a bias as a Flyers fan. I mean no disrespect, I think Myers will be a good dman. But Trouba just put up 50 points



Quoting: DirtyDangles
Take a look at what Myers did in juniors. He dominated. He was also paired with Thomas Chabot in the World Juniors. He may be slower to bloom than Trouba but Myers does have his upside. You don’t compare upside by what someone did at the same age.


I'm gonna go ahead and second pretty much everything mk just said.

Firstly, Junior is not evenly comparable to the NCAA. The difference between a dominant defender against older amateur players and being a dominant defender against guys your own age is night and day. The difficulty scale done by behindthenet has junior a shade under 75% of the difficulty of NCAA. Not even counting that the BIG10 is actually a decent conference. Otherwise the numbers would look even more favorably on Trouba. Behindthenet is a pretty logical site, so when they make predictions and approximations, it's fairly reliable.

Secondly, that is absolutely how you compare upside. Athletes reach their athletic prime at about 25-30 and they do the majority of their growth up until that point with the last couple stages of development being very slow. That means the majority of their growth happens 19-23. The fact that Trouba was that far ahead of him is pretty indicative of how the two will compare. There are definitely exceptions to the rule, but the Blake Wheelers and Jamie Benn of the world are the exception and not the rule.
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May 1, 2019 at 8:48 p.m.
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I could understand not wanting to do this trade. But lets be realistic here, Myers does not have Trouba's upside. Myers is 22, by age 21 Trouba was already playing top 4 minutes and situations. He put up 29 points in 65 games in the NHL in his rookie season. He was a top 10 draft pick who put up dominant numbers in the NCAA before bursting into the league. Myers has potential to be a top 4 dman, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. One great season in the AHL (his 2nd season), doesn't give him Trouba's upside. I think you've got a bit of a bias as a Flyers fan. I mean no disrespect, I think Myers will be a good dman. But Trouba just put up 50 points


Yea Myers will be a very solid dman but nothing like Trouba
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May 1, 2019 at 10:21 p.m.
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Doubtful.

Two uncertainties and a 2nd for Hamonic, who’s their 2nd best D


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Calgary passes this up.

Hamonic plays a great role, at a great price, and will likely consider an extension at a great price.

Hamonic + [insert here] as a package for Trouba would be interesting, but with Yzerman in DET, it doesn't seem possible. The point is, CGY doesn't have any reason to weaken their Top 4 right now and go with prospects.


How about if we send a middle six forward like Perreault. I feel that Anderson is ready to make a step forward and I do not think Calgary has the cap space to keep harmonic beyond this season. I honesly did not think that it was practical but if we could find a way, that would be great.
May 1, 2019 at 10:29 p.m.
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Big no from the Flyers side. Don't need extra deadweight. Ghost for Trouba I think would make more sense for both sides but you cant expect them to carry over 12M in deadweight on defense (Kulikov, AMac, Schlemko) when they fired a GM that wants to win now? Can't see that happening.
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May 2, 2019 at 12:24 a.m.
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How about if we send a middle six forward like Perreault. I feel that Anderson is ready to make a step forward and I do not think Calgary has the cap space to keep harmonic beyond this season. I honesly did not think that it was practical but if we could find a way, that would be great.


I think the Flames will decide between Brodie and Hamonic this summer. Trade one and extend one. Brodie will most likely age better than Hamonic, but the Flames have Valimaki/Hanifin/Kylington that play a similar game to Brodie and they don’t have anyone like Hamonic which is why I think they keep him, but I could be wrong
May 2, 2019 at 9:13 a.m.
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I'm gonna go ahead and second pretty much everything mk just said.

Firstly, Junior is not evenly comparable to the NCAA. The difference between a dominant defender against older amateur players and being a dominant defender against guys your own age is night and day. The difficulty scale done by behindthenet has junior a shade under 75% of the difficulty of NCAA. Not even counting that the BIG10 is actually a decent conference. Otherwise the numbers would look even more favorably on Trouba. Behindthenet is a pretty logical site, so when they make predictions and approximations, it's fairly reliable.

Secondly, that is absolutely how you compare upside. Athletes reach their athletic prime at about 25-30 and they do the majority of their growth up until that point with the last couple stages of development being very slow. That means the majority of their growth happens 19-23. The fact that Trouba was that far ahead of him is pretty indicative of how the two will compare. There are definitely exceptions to the rule, but the Blake Wheelers and Jamie Benn of the world are the exception and not the rule.


It's actually laughable thinking the NCAA is leaps and bounds above Juniors. I get it, guys are bigger and stronger in the NCAA, but they also have 1/3 of the talent compared to the guys your defending in Juniors. Trouba just finished his 6th season in the NHL and he finally surpassed 33 points, his previous career high. Is 50 points his new norm? Maybe, but its certainly a great time for the Jets to try and capitalize on the most value he has ever had. Selling high is smart by them. Buying high would not be smart for the Flyers. Will Myers put up the offensive numbers Trouba did this year? Maybe not, but his ceiling is to be just as good, if not better, defensively. Brossoit has no value in this trade since the Flyers want to sign a veteran backup, Brossoit has only played in 49 games. And to top it off, you dump Kulikov on them without any other type of compensation.
May 2, 2019 at 10:02 a.m.
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It's actually laughable thinking the NCAA is leaps and bounds above Juniors. I get it, guys are bigger and stronger in the NCAA, but they also have 1/3 of the talent compared to the guys your defending in Juniors. Trouba just finished his 6th season in the NHL and he finally surpassed 33 points, his previous career high. Is 50 points his new norm? Maybe, but its certainly a great time for the Jets to try and capitalize on the most value he has ever had. Selling high is smart by them. Buying high would not be smart for the Flyers. Will Myers put up the offensive numbers Trouba did this year? Maybe not, but his ceiling is to be just as good, if not better, defensively. Brossoit has no value in this trade since the Flyers want to sign a veteran backup, Brossoit has only played in 49 games. And to top it off, you dump Kulikov on them without any other type of compensation.


Doesn't matter. Age trumps talent when talent is comparable for amateur players. It's the same reason press box plugs like Brendan Lemieux and Nic Petan can have ridiculous offensive numbers, and do absolutely nothing in the NHL. Being a dominant amateur against amateurs your own age doesn't mean a lot. The best CHL players can be identified because they are the best players in a U20 league at 17 and 18, or in some cases, being allowed to enter the league a year early with exceptional status.

On the flip side of the NCAA, it's why NCAA free agents are usually solid but underwhelming players. Being a 23 year old and lighting up 18 year olds is pretty meh.

Thinking the CHL can compete with the NCAA is asinine. It is the same line of thinking that a top American high school football or basketball team could compete with a CIS team. No they wouldn't.

Myers has Trouba's ceiling in the sense that he could play top pairing minutes one day but if you're charting him against Trouba he has catching up to do. At this point in time Trouba was coming off his 2nd full NHL season and had 2 years of being a top 4 defenseman under his belt. It's not impossible for Myers to catch him, but not likely.
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