Interesting idea. Deals like this are hard to gauge value, mainly because not many of them have happened, but we'll see what rangers fans have to say though...

yes.

???? What? A massive overpayment for one year Kreider. Kreider scored 28 goals, but Kapanen scored 20....Leafs have NHL control for at least four years of Kapanen. Dumping a retired Marleau doesn't cost a first.

Considering how low that first rounder would be u need to include Kapanen, but u would still need to clean out more cap to give marner a reasonable contract. He is gonna make at least 10M

Easy to say this when you are not the person shelling out almost 4 million dollars for nothing. In comparison to 2009 when the leafs basically bought a 4th round pick for 400k off TB (not sure the exact numbers to that trade)

Once again I will say this. There is no reason or logic to paying Marner anything over 9-9.25 mil and this is known by the GMs and every management in the NHL who do this for a job. It's literally been proven in so many ways he's not worth 10 mil

Highly doubt rangers could pass up that deal.
Works all ways.
Well done..-~

as a leaf fan i would rather trade johansson insteas of kapanen

Yea but Marner doesn't have to sign the contract, he can just do what Nylander did and that didn't end so well

I wouldn't because AJ is cheaper and I like his skill set better. League also likey values Kapanen higher

Yes it did. Nylander wanted 8 mil and settled for 87% his ask. If Marner is asking for 11 it would be around 9.5 to settle the same, and he can get straight ****ed if he wants to hold out. He is easily the most overrated top line leaf in the history of my 32 years watching IMO

I find it interesting that now that people are coming around to this way of thinking, and Marner trade examples are getting posted on this site, that it doesn't seem like many fans from other teams want him at that number either..

I mean, I've seen trade examples of Marner for Draisaitl, Marner for Gaudreau, Marner for Makar, and it seems that each time people nix the idea because they recognize that each player at their contrat # is more valuable to team success than Marner at 10-12M.

So, if that's true, then why does it make the Leafs a better team to shell out that coin for Marner when it seems like no one else wants to do it? I don't think it does, and its why I think they'll meet in the middle and Marner signs a contract that lines up with league comparables which works for both sides.

johansson has arbitration rights where kapanen does not which means johansson will probably get more through arbitration where leafs only have to give kapanen a 10% raise in contract. kapanen might take a 2 year contract at 2.5 - 3 million where johansson can make anywhere from 3-4 million through arbitration

Not to mention that the deal Nylander signed is very SB heavy and in two months he will be paid almost half the contract already making it a very easy contract to trade, something that was likely worth budging from 6.66 to 6.96 of what the Leafs wanted and ended up giving out

Kreider could put up at least 30 goals on this Toronto team.

The 1st that Toronto gives up is a late 1st.

Marleau will resign with Toronto at a minuscule Cap hit after Rangers Buy him out, so you're not really "losing" him in the deal.

Losing Kapanen hurts, but Toronto will be making a number of cost cutting moves to manipulate the Cap that will probably hurt just the same (whatever they do in order to dump Zaitsev will probably also be painful). As a Ranger fan, I absolutely take this.

Yea but Nylander looked God awful all year and couldn't get his **** together

True. But the leafs can also trade his rights. And he can choose not to sign with his new team if he doesn't get what he wants.. and if that played out his career would take a huge hit, because it would be hard for teams and fans league wide not to look at him as selfish and a problem player. He'll sign if he wants to be an NHL hockey player.

It's just the media BS. Everyone who has a clue including the leafs management knows he is a 9-9.5 mil player in this league. To be honest his stats with and without Tavares are atrocious which proves how good Tavares really is. I mean FFS Marner is only probably the 3Rd or 4th most coveted RFA this summer even. Laine, Rantanen, Point, and even Aho because he's centre should be higher on the pay scale than he is.

I don't see him getting those numbers after just one season basically. But who knows

Oh ok you mean in that way, yes I agree. But also the leafs absolutely cannot afford a higher 1st year cap hit from holding out so it has to get done soon

The real question is if the Rangers ownership wants to shell out nearly 4 million for this.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq

Unless I am mistaken, the Cap hit for a 35+ Contract would only affect the Rangers for the 1st year. Even if they pay it out for 2 years, it would count for the full amount of Marleau's $6.25M in 19-20, and then $0 for 20-21.

Yes but the cash buyout cost is around 3.85 mil if I am correct (2/3rd because he is over 35). Cap hit stays at 6.25

Oh, I agree that it's BS. It just always amazes me how willing people are to eat it up, and usually with a smile on their face. I dunno, to me BS kinda smells and tastes like sh*t. That said, there's nothing sayin that the Leafs don't take a large plate of what Marner's camp is cooking up. I really hope they don't.

Don't know why you're saying 4m. Leafs are going to pay his bonus July1. , so his actual money output for a buyout is 1m.