alittle much for donato dont you think? he hasnt even played a full season

Toronto would probably give you their right nut for Spurgeon.

Well a may not agree with styatru20 "right nut", Spurgeon and one year till UFA should be traded to true contender.
If the Wild have cap, retention on Spurgeon would be a nice bonus to a true contender.

put the 2nd rounder on the other side of the leafs trade and maybe.

If the Wild decide to flunk this season for picks and prospects then retention on Spurgeon would be a great option, more likely to wait til deadline day for that though to see what they want to do from there because I am sure they intend on competing this year.

You're right it might be best wait till TDL. You have to give the players and the paying masses hope during the season. And a trade in January might net about the same return as in June.

I don't see why Toronto is the one adding a pick in this deal. Kapanen has more NHL time than Greenway and the both have arguably the same upside. Kapanen's speed is well out of Greenway's speed upside and that's one of the most key skills in players in the new age NHL. If the pick is going with Greenway to Toronto, I could see it being fair value. Probably not a 2nd, but I could see Greenway and a 3rd or a 4th for Kapanen being fair value.

Now as I said, that's what "fair value" would seem to be. The issue is that Toronto management seems to think very highly of Kapanen and you'll likely have to overpay to get him. I don't think that Greenway is a bad option, but I don't think it's an overpayment either. You'd have to add more (likely that 2nd or something else) to get Toronto to really consider it

VAN decline, the draft is being held in Vancouver so they are not trading away there 1st round pick and they are not in a position to be trading away draft picks.

The Wild traded Brent Burns when they hosted the draft...maybe a blockbuster trade would excite the fan base more than the #10 pick...

I disagree. While I am a big Kapanen fan and would love to have him on the Wild, my opinion is this: Greenway has the higher ceiling and Kapanen has the higher floor. Guys like Greenway (6-6 240 with skill and can skate) are extremely rare!! He can also play center. In fact, again...as much as I like Kapanen, I would not trade Greenway straight up for him...which is why I have Toronto adding a 2nd. It is a 2020 2nd and I expect them to make a longer run next playoff season...

Signing the Wild's RFAs was such a miniscule part of this...

Hahaha you have to be kidding me with that Canucks trade. I don't think any team in the league would trade a top 10 for spurgeon. So why would the Canucks, when they can get someone much better offering up that pick?
Zucker for virtanen I could flirt with that. However, virtanen is on pace to be of similar player to Zucker points wise so what's the point in giving him away when he is cost effective right now?

You obviously have NO idea how good Spurgeon is!

sure...but you still posted it so....im commenting on it? you also had 7 of them so idk what youre talking about

your wild bias is showing. Kapanen has performed better that greenway at every stage in their careers' so far. The only thing greenway is better than him at is being taller. Even if you think greenway is better, youre not getting a 2nd out of a kap/greenway trade, that is just ludicrous.

how decent you mean. He does not move the needle for me. Replace him with Dumba and now we have a baseline for talks for that 10OA pick

I didn't say he was better...yet. I said I believe he has a higher ceiling. I also said Kapanen has a higher floor, meaning he is better right now. Ludicrous??? Hardly. It might not be perfect, but it's not far off value-wise either. I'm guessing YOUR Leafs bias is shining through now...

A player that has performed worse every step of the way does not project to be better. Not sure how that's a tough concept.

You clearly have no idea what scouting is all about. Let's start this conversation up again in 2-3 years...

Is it about thinking the player that has a worse draft position, worse performance, and less skill projects to be the better player? Please teach all the scouts and teams how to do their job then

In what is turning out to be an absolute exceptional draft year, if the 2015 draft were re-done today, Greenway would easily be a top 15-20 pick. Scouting is about making educated guesses as to what a player WILL BE...not what he has done...that's the part you don't seem to get. Mark my words, Greenway will be the better player.

And how do you make educated guesses on what a player will be? On how they've performed so far or your feelings?

You might be right. Greenway could end up being a better player, but to date Kapanen has unquestionably been the better player at all stages in their careers. If you're betting on who the better player will be you take the guy with better performance.

Edit oh and btw greenway probably still doesn't end up as a 1st rounder. Definitely not a top 20 though

Here's a redraft from last year. He's not even close to a lot of the guys on that list

https://realsport101.com/news/sports/nhl/redrafting-the-2015-nhl-draft/ere's

It's not a gut feeling, it's empirical observations.

I think both are and will be very good players and have very good careers, I just think Greenway is such a unique blend of size, speed, skill, and grit, that he will have a bigger impact on his teams in the future. He's a player absolutely made for the playoffs. He can also play center, which adds to his overall value.

Not a gut feeling? Proceeds to say what he thinks, instead of showing how he's the better player. There's no data that backs up better performance from greenway. Yes he's taller and bigger. Cool. The rest is all your thoughts.

Dude give up, cuz I'm done.