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Leafs cant afford him we steal him

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Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
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Published: May 16, 2019
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Leafs either screw themselves and match this or we get a top line winger to play with Connor and Leon can run his own line.

If we can do this with the only cost being Sekera with money retained and a weak backup goalie then why not.

Vesey trade has been deemed fair in a few different other threads here. I add Safin as a lottery ticket incentive for NYR to retain some salary, which they can afford.
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5$10,568,588
2$1,000,000
2$1,100,000
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1$850,000
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Marner, Mitchell$10,568,588
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2020 3rd round pick
2021 1st round pick
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  1. Sekera, Andrej ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. 2019 4th round pick (EDM)
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  1. Vesey, Jimmy ($1,000,000 retained)
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  1. Safin, Ostap
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)
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20$83,500,000$81,068,086$0$332,500$2,431,914
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
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C
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$10,568,588$10,568,588
RW
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW
UFA
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$808,333$808,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$230,000$230K)
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
C
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$1,950,000$1,950,000
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UFA - 1
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$720,000$720,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
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UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
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M-NTC, NMC
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May 16, 2019 at 2:59 p.m.
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*facepalm*

Marner would never sign offersheet from Edmonton, nobody in their right mind wouldnt..
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May 16, 2019 at 3:02 p.m.
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Sure looks like the Oilers can't afford Marner with that 20 man roster. Don't know why you think the Leafs can't afford Marner. Marner wouldn't sign that deal with Oilers anyway. He would get that from the Leafs and likely would sign for less to remain a Leaf.
May 16, 2019 at 3:02 p.m.
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Quoting: SammyT_51
*facepalm*

Marner would never sign offersheet from Edmonton, nobody in their right mind wouldnt..


If thats the most money he gets offered then why wouldnt he? It seems like at this point he doesnt give a damn about the team based on his asks, he is looking for money which is his right and the leafs cant give it to him without making themselves worse.
May 16, 2019 at 3:03 p.m.
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so, few things here.
1. that's what toronto is going to pay anyway, so whatever. they match obviously.
2. marner wouldn't sign that. If he's going to sign an offer sheet, it's going to be more than what he thinks he can get offered from toronto.
3. for marner to willingly sign in edmonton would take a massive overpay. massive. like, connor mcdavid would not be the highest paid oiler massive. 7x13? something like that.
4. if the compensation isn't in the four firsts territory, it's such an easy match.
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May 16, 2019 at 3:05 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Sure looks like the Oilers can't afford Marner with that 20 man roster. Don't know why you think the Leafs can't afford Marner. Marner wouldn't sign that deal with Oilers anyway. He would get that from the Leafs and likely would sign for less to remain a Leaf.


Someone hasnt been paying attention to his reported demands. He is looking for money, and thats his right. Being a leaf seems to mean very little to him. The Oil are cap tight but this team above is better than what skated off the ice last year. They are developing, cap is rising, bad contracts are coming off the books, this deal makes them better long term. The leafs are trying to win right now, every passing year without a cup is a year wasted for them, they cant make this same deal without making their team worse in the long run.
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May 16, 2019 at 3:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
so, few things here.
1. that's what toronto is going to pay anyway, so whatever. they match obviously.
2. marner wouldn't sign that. If he's going to sign an offer sheet, it's going to be more than what he thinks he can get offered from toronto.
3. for marner to willingly sign in edmonton would take a massive overpay. massive. like, connor mcdavid would not be the highest paid oiler massive. 7x13? something like that.
4. if the compensation isn't in the four firsts territory, it's such an easy match.


Thats kind of my point, this is a deal you offer Marner, expecting it to be matched their cap situation has them in the point where they are a worse team both now and in the long haul if they match it. The oilers however being in a different situation are made better by this contract.
May 16, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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Thats kind of my point, this is a deal you offer Marner, expecting it to be matched their cap situation has them in the point where they are a worse team both now and in the long haul if they match it. The oilers however being in a different situation are made better by this contract.


this isn't screwing the leafs though. They're going to offer that with or without an offer sheet. putting the leafs in a tough spot would be something like 5x12.
May 16, 2019 at 3:13 p.m.
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Quoting: FlamesBlow
Someone hasnt been paying attention to his reported demands. He is looking for money, and thats his right. Being a leaf seems to mean very little to him. The Oil are cap tight but this team above is better than what skated off the ice last year. They are developing, cap is rising, bad contracts are coming off the books, this deal makes them better long term. The leafs are trying to win right now, every passing year without a cup is a year wasted for them, they cant make this same deal without making their team worse in the long run.


Sorry, I don't think you know how signings of RFAs work. The Leafs can sign all their RFAs this summer. Now admitting they are going to overpay the cap by 6.7m but they can rid themselves of that by making one or two trades. But your original premise "Leafs can't afford him". Nonsense. Any knowledgeable fan know that, but you tried to pass as fact. Edmonton may sit not he bottom of teams that played want to play for. Oilers have to pay a premium for any UFAs or or other teams RFAs. And that ramble about every year passing is wasted by the Leafs. Don't know how you believe that is at factual. Leafs have a better NHL base than the Oilers now and I would say a better prospect base too.
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May 16, 2019 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
this isn't screwing the leafs though. They're going to offer that with or without an offer sheet. putting the leafs in a tough spot would be something like 5x12.


Basically every report I have heard from that is that Toronto is refusing to go over 9.5 which they shouldnt if they want to keep their team together.
May 16, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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Basically every report I have heard from that is that Toronto is refusing to go over 9.5 which they shouldnt if they want to keep their team together.


You dont seriously think that a player would sign in ****ing Edmonton over their home-town, much more successful team, over what is at the most 1 million dollars do you?!?
May 16, 2019 at 3:21 p.m.
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ED should sheet Kapanen, NOT Marner.
Marner is Kessel 2.0 NO 2 way play, NO physicality.
Steal Kapanen, trade Pulijarvi 4 Hyman..-~
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May 16, 2019 at 3:21 p.m.
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Basically every report I have heard from that is that Toronto is refusing to go over 9.5 which they shouldnt if they want to keep their team together.


Any knowledgeable hockey fan knows that Leaf can't keep the team together. Just look at the cap. All teams have changes in the off season. But it certainly doesn't mean it has to be Marner that departs.
But it's foolish to think Marner would sign for Edmonton for 10.569m, and the Oilers don't have enough cap for a full roster at that price.
May 16, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
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Marner is Kessel 2.0 NO 2 way play, NO physicality.


U Fokin Wot M8?
May 16, 2019 at 3:24 p.m.
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You dont seriously think that a player would sign in ****ing Edmonton over their home-town, much more successful team, over what is at the most 1 million dollars do you?!?


Lol wow, leafs get the pajama boy to come home and now ever single GTA kid is going to play there for cheap. I will give you a million a year for five years (more than that when you consider alberta's lower provincial income tax) to go live in a major city and play hockey with two of the 10 best players in the planet and you say no to that.

And again, I dont really expect Toronto not to match, but if they do they start losing good players and arent able to replace them with anything other than an ELC, and while the leafs are a young team its not exactly like they have a great prospect pool. When Bracco is your best forward prospect you have a problem.
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May 16, 2019 at 3:26 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Any knowledgeable hockey fan knows that Leaf can't keep the team together. Just look at the cap. All teams have changes in the off season. But it certainly doesn't mean it has to be Marner that departs.
But it's foolish to think Marner would sign for Edmonton for 10.569m, and the Oilers don't have enough cap for a full roster at that price.


I dont think they are going to end up in last by any means but I dont think any is actually suggesting they can make the additions long term that they need to make to even beat Boston in the first round let alone win a championship, if the goal is just to make the playoffs then great this contract is actually friendly to them but if the goal is to win it all then this handicaps them in a serious way, because to add anything you have to get rid of probably Kadri for sure and at least one of Kapanen of Johnsson and there are no in house replacements for those players right now.
May 16, 2019 at 3:27 p.m.
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That would be awesome to have Marner with McDavid next season!! Good job!
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May 16, 2019 at 3:39 p.m.
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Quoting: FlamesBlow
We are having a miscommunication here. You're right, it doesnt have to be Marner. My point is that if it isnt Marner the leafs can cancel their parade plans because paying that much money to him makes it almost impossible to build a team in Toronto than what was on the ice last year, and that team wasnt even good enough to get out of the first round


Well count the Jets, Tampa, Pittsburg, Sharks, Vegas, Calgary and maybe more that can't ice the same team as last year for cap reasons. And the Jets,Tampa and Pittsburg, Calgary never made it past the first round either.
Rather be in the Leaf situation that the Oilers though. At least the Leafs can trade an asset for some some value and be cap compliant. Oilers are close to the cap and really aren't the close to the playoffs.
May 16, 2019 at 3:43 p.m.
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Lol wow, leafs get the pajama boy to come home and now ever single GTA kid is going to play there for cheap. I will give you a million a year for five years (more than that when you consider alberta's lower provincial income tax) to go live in a major city and play hockey with two of the 10 best players in the planet and you say no to that.

And again, I dont really expect Toronto not to match, but if they do they start losing good players and arent able to replace them with anything other than an ELC, and while the leafs are a young team its not exactly like they have a great prospect pool. When Bracco is your best forward prospect you have a problem.


What I am saying is, 1 Million dollars of salary per year is not enough to make a guy like Marner leave Toronto for Edmonton of all places. If you knew how to read english, you might have understood that was what I said in my previous comment.

Benefits of Marner playing in Toronto include:
1) A good, young team with many of his friends
2) Playing for your home town team
3) Living for free (the owner of his condo allows him to live rent free, and has for awhile now. In Toronto with their ridiculous prices, that is A LOT of money he doesn't have to spend)
4) Endorsement deals flying out the wazzoo. Seriously Marner is sponsored by EVERYTHING. He is the most popular Leaf in Toronto and gets PAID to be the face of many things (this is a big part of why 1 million is not even close to enough to pull him out)
5) Getting paid 25-33% more (11.875-12.635) because of the Loonie (only applies to American market comparisons)
6) Toronto's ability to pay entirely in SB's (time value of money + tax benefits)

Edmonton on the other hand:
1) Cap strapped with bad contracts
2) failing to even make the playoffs with a generational talent and 2 hundred point scorers
3) Having to live in Edmonton
4) Would be reviled in Toronto (bye-bye endorsements that will easily double his NHL salary)
5) Having to live in Edmonton
May 16, 2019 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: FlamesBlow
Basically every report I have heard from that is that Toronto is refusing to go over 9.5 which they shouldnt if they want to keep their team together.


you should read more credible reports.
May 16, 2019 at 3:46 p.m.
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you should read more credible reports.


He is actually right on that.
Toronto has absolutely refused to go above 9.5 and is continuing to do so.
(I expect that means they are aiming for a touch under 10, whether they get it or not is another question entirely)
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May 16, 2019 at 4:09 p.m.
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Quoting: FlamesBlow
Someone hasnt been paying attention to his reported demands. He is looking for money, and thats his right. Being a leaf seems to mean very little to him. The Oil are cap tight but this team above is better than what skated off the ice last year. They are developing, cap is rising, bad contracts are coming off the books, this deal makes them better long term. The leafs are trying to win right now, every passing year without a cup is a year wasted for them, they cant make this same deal without making their team worse in the long run.


You realize its the agent who sets the asking price...? Marner doesn't talk numbers until the agent says he is ready to sign... Marner loves Toronto and wants to play here. Learn how negotiation works?
May 16, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.
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You realize its the agent who sets the asking price...? Marner doesn't talk numbers until the agent says he is ready to sign... Marner loves Toronto and wants to play here. Learn how negotiation works?


Yes I am sure marner has zero involvement at all in the discussion about the next 3-8 years of his life and finances. Zero chance you're wrong about that I am sorry for doubting such a close friend of the Marner family.
May 16, 2019 at 6:07 p.m.
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He is actually right on that.
Toronto has absolutely refused to go above 9.5 and is continuing to do so.
(I expect that means they are aiming for a touch under 10, whether they get it or not is another question entirely)


Huh. Interesting. I've tuned out the media knuckleheads entirely lately and try to get my hockey news from credible posters here. If that's true then I'm pretty confident that you're right and a deal gets done that's under 10M. This sounds like good news to me..

Cause I also think you're absolutely right with your list from above and that Marner wants to be a leaf for those reasons (and maybe more), and that the leafs want him to be a leaf for obvious reasons
May 17, 2019 at 7:16 a.m.
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You dont seriously think that a player would sign in ****ing Edmonton over their home-town, much more successful team, over what is at the most 1 million dollars do you?!?


Define more successful because if you go back 15 years the Oilers have made more second rounds. If making the playoffs the last three years and losing round 1 is your success than I guess. Maybe marner wants to win a round.
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May 17, 2019 at 7:21 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Sorry, I don't think you know how signings of RFAs work. The Leafs can sign all their RFAs this summer. Now admitting they are going to overpay the cap by 6.7m but they can rid themselves of that by making one or two trades. But your original premise "Leafs can't afford him". Nonsense. Any knowledgeable fan know that, but you tried to pass as fact. Edmonton may sit not he bottom of teams that played want to play for. Oilers have to pay a premium for any UFAs or or other teams RFAs. And that ramble about every year passing is wasted by the Leafs. Don't know how you believe that is at factual. Leafs have a better NHL base than the Oilers now and I would say a better prospect base too.


So when marner just asked 12 per year and captaincy how do leafs afford that. You are brain dead if you think leafs can afford everyone. The trades will be an rfa because players like zaitsev and Marleau aren't leaving. It likely isnt Edmonton, but leafs cant afford him unless they want kap, Andreas gone and a still weak and terrible d core
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