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Marner Trade

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 17, 2019
Published: May 17, 2019
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3$3,000,000
3$3,000,000
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  1. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
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2019
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2020
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23$83,500,000$76,503,865$0$3,670,000$6,996,135
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
LW, RW
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 2
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$700,000$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
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UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
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$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
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$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
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RW
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May 17, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
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Lol. Take out one of Svech or Necas and add a 1st. The value you proposed is ludicrous
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May 17, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
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Overpayment by Carolina
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May 17, 2019 at 10:31 a.m.
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Carolina says no. Thats just too much to give up
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May 17, 2019 at 10:32 a.m.
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Why, a better team than the TML, will move 2 talented young players with a high ceiling and a very good defense?? Carolina is a TOP4 team this year..., TML top 16
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May 17, 2019 at 10:39 a.m.
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Quoting: yanp007
Why, a better team than the TML, will move 2 talented young players with a high ceiling and a very good defense?? Carolina is a TOP4 team this year..., TML top 16


Not debating your logic on the trade, but your logic on Carolina being a top 4 team is a little strange. Carolina barely makes it in to the playoffs and over the course of a handful of games is a top 4 team, while Tampa is a top 16 team by that logic.
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May 17, 2019 at 10:41 a.m.
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Quoting: csick
Lol. Take out one of Svech or Necas and add a 1st. The value you proposed is ludicrous


svech and dougie is still plenty IMO
May 17, 2019 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: TML1991
Not debating your logic on the trade, but your logic on Carolina being a top 4 team is a little strange. Carolina barely makes it in to the playoffs and over the course of a handful of games is a top 4 team, while Tampa is a top 16 team by that logic.


Final seeding isn't logic. Next years draft order speaks for itself.
May 17, 2019 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: TML1991
Not debating your logic on the trade, but your logic on Carolina being a top 4 team is a little strange. Carolina barely makes it in to the playoffs and over the course of a handful of games is a top 4 team, while Tampa is a top 16 team by that logic.


To be honnest, I think Carolina is closer to a Stanley cup than TML. Top 5 defense in the league, Ordinary goalie, Andersen is better but TML will never win a cup with this goalie-defense combo. In the next years, with Necas, Foegele and Svenchnikov, they will have a very good offense team.... Also, they have cap space, add a good goalie
May 17, 2019 at 10:48 a.m.
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No Svech. add a second rd. pick.
May 17, 2019 at 10:51 a.m.
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Teams don’t trade 3 players for 1, they usually follow the formula roster player, prospect and pick for a star player (maybe 2 players, prospects or picks depending on the star). If I’m Dubas, I would want Slavin or Pesce (with a bigger return) in any deal that involves Marner
May 17, 2019 at 11:02 a.m.
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Quoting: yanp007
To be honnest, I think Carolina is closer to a Stanley cup than TML. Top 5 defense in the league, Ordinary goalie, Andersen is better but TML will never win a cup with this goalie-defense combo. In the next years, with Necas, Foegele and Svenchnikov, they will have a very good offense team.... Also, they have cap space, add a good goalie


sure...but in the present they arent top 4. ordinary goalie? id say 2 fringe starters
May 17, 2019 at 11:05 a.m.
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sure...but in the present they arent top 4. ordinary goalie? id say 2 fringe starters


Not top4?? So i was sure that they were in the conference finale...
May 17, 2019 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: yanp007
To be honnest, I think Carolina is closer to a Stanley cup than TML. Top 5 defense in the league, Ordinary goalie, Andersen is better but TML will never win a cup with this goalie-defense combo. In the next years, with Necas, Foegele and Svenchnikov, they will have a very good offense team.... Also, they have cap space, add a good goalie


Quoting: yanp007
Not top4?? So i was sure that they were in the conference finale...


So let's just gloss over my tampa point, about the playoffs not necessarily indicating who the best team is as it succumbs to small sample sizes and luck compared to the regular season. I never mentioned Toronto in my post and their ranking next to Carolina, but sure let's play.

Toronto is still young, and a very good offensive team, better regular season, better offense, worse defense but has some pretty good prospects like sandin and lilly coming soon, better goaltending. Carolina's offense is young with some nice prospects like you mentioned, but prospects are risky just like sandin and lilly, great defense, worse goaltending. Toronto has some cap issues, carolina will get there soon enough with aho and svech. Meh i think most would give a slight edge to Toronto right now but it's very close, we'll see what happens this offseason.

Now as for playoffs. I think playoffs have a lot of randomness, but you clearly dont so this next part must hold a lot of weight. Canes swept by boston in 4, Toronto beat by boston in 7, but I've said before playoffs have a lot of randomness, so I dont put a lot of weight in that, you must though.
May 17, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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Not top4?? So i was sure that they were in the conference finale...


They were in the conference final, but the playoffs is a crap shoot a lot of the time. Over the course of an 82 game season they aren’t a top 4 team. By crap shoot I mean a team can have a record setting season but one bad week ends that. At the same time a team can have an up and down season and limp into the playoffs, but have a couple weeks of amazing games.
May 17, 2019 at 11:38 a.m.
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They were in the conference final, but the playoffs is a crap shoot a lot of the time. Over the course of an 82 game season they aren’t a top 4 team. By crap shoot I mean a team can have a record setting season but one bad week ends that. At the same time a team can have an up and down season and limp into the playoffs, but have a couple weeks of amazing games.


What is the NHL bhampion of the season 2017-18? Washington. Why, because they won the stanley cup, they weren't 1st in the regular season....
May 17, 2019 at 11:40 a.m.
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Quoting: yanp007
Not top4?? So i was sure that they were in the conference finale...


that doesnt mean theyre necessarily top 4... do you really think that carolina could beat tampa columbus or toronto in a 7 game series right now? cuz I sure as hell dont. and thats only the East, what about Calgary Nashville or Vegas? Point being, its a really dumb argument to say that just because you got to a point in the playoffs means you are better than every team that lost previously, Matchups are a thing and the canes took advantage of that
May 17, 2019 at 11:46 a.m.
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that doesnt mean theyre necessarily top 4... do you really think that carolina could beat tampa columbus or toronto in a 7 game series right now? cuz I sure as hell dont. and thats only the East, what about Calgary Nashville or Vegas? Point being, its a really dumb argument to say that just because you got to a point in the playoffs means you are better than every team that lost previously, Matchups are a thing and the canes took advantage of that


Facts, only facts!! If all the 31 teams replay the 82 games the results will be different!! No one can tell... We don't remember what happens in the regular season, only the the playoff... and for this year, Carolina is top4. If Boston win the cup and after plays against TB, yes maybe TB will win, but that's not the reality, TB, TML, WASH... are out this year. ONLY FACTS
May 17, 2019 at 11:46 a.m.
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What is the NHL bhampion of the season 2017-18? Washington. Why, because they won the stanley cup, they weren't 1st in the regular season....


??‍♂️ You’re clearly not understanding my point. The regular season and playoffs are two different situations. The point is that Carolina played amazingly for a handful of games then came crashing back to Earth vs Boston.

If your point is to say that Carolina is a top 4 team in the 2018-19 playoffs then I agree. If it comes to consistently performing like a top 4 team then I’d disagree.
May 17, 2019 at 11:48 a.m.
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??‍♂️ You’re clearly not understanding my point. The regular season and playoffs are two different situations. The point is that Carolina played amazingly for a handful of games then came crashing back to Earth vs Boston.

If your point is to say that Carolina is a top 4 team in the 2018-19 playoffs then I agree. If it comes to consistently performing like a top 4 team then I’d disagree.


I get what youre saying, and im saying that I dont agree that they were top 4 in the playoffs, for the same reasons I said previously... Also, Their road to the ECF wasnt anyting to boast about. besides the caps (who have a history besides last year to choke), they played the bottom of the barrel (never thought NYI was actually legitimate)
May 17, 2019 at 11:51 a.m.
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I get what youre saying, and im saying that I dont agree that they were top 4 in the playoffs, for the same reasons I said previously


Oh I agree, but he is obviously stubborn and refuses to analyze the situation beyond the placing of the teams over a short period of time so I had to throw him a bone. Lol.
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May 17, 2019 at 11:54 a.m.
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I agree with you that they had a handful of great games but I dont think its enough to say theyre a true top 4 team in the playoffs
May 17, 2019 at 11:59 a.m.
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Facts, only facts!! If all the 31 teams replay the 82 games the results will be different!! No one can tell... We don't remember what happens in the regular season, only the the playoff... and for this year, Carolina is top4. If Boston win the cup and after plays against TB, yes maybe TB will win, but that's not the reality, TB, TML, WASH... are out this year. ONLY FACTS


You havent said any facts besides the fact that they made the ECF...which isnt an argument. BTW people do remember the regular season
May 17, 2019 at 12:03 p.m.
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You havent said any facts besides the fact that they made the ECF...which isnt an argument. BTW people do remember the regular season


So the only fact on the last year champion (Washington) is that they won the Stanley cup... you're right I cannot tell another fact!!! lol
May 17, 2019 at 12:05 p.m.
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So the only fact on the last year champion (Washington) is that they won the Stanley cup... you're right I cannot tell another fact!!! lol


dude...what are you even trying to say? do you not get that just because you win a championship in ANY sport that doesn't mean you're the best team? regular or post season. It means you did what you had to do in the series you had to play. but different series matchups could change that
May 17, 2019 at 12:09 p.m.
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dude...what are you even trying to say? do you not get that just because you win a championship in ANY sport that doesn't mean you're the best team? regular or post season. It means you did what you had to do in the series you had to play


The best team of the last year is Washington. They won the cup. The BEST team for a year, it's the champion team!!
You cannot tell that TB is the best team this year, they lose in the 1st round.
 
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