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Team: 2019-20 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 19, 2019
Published: May 19, 2019
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Harley, Thomas
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DET
  1. Callahan, Ryan
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  2. 2021 3rd round pick (NYI)
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  1. Nielsen, Frans ($1,000,000 retained)
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4.
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  1. Manning, Brandon
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (EDM)
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  1. Helm, Darren ($1,925,000 retained)
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May 19, 2019 at 8:56 p.m.
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I think this makes a lot off sense except for the Trouba deal. The Red Wings aren't competing next year either and I think they could wait one more year or at least pay less for his imminent exit out of Wpg. Could the Wings take on a shorter but maybe more expensive contract for Abdelkader? I'm a Bruins fan and wouldn't personally like it, but I think Detroit could benefit from maybe offering Abdelkader for Backes or something along those lines with any competing team really
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I think even Stevie Y would have to put more on the table to get Trouba.
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May 19, 2019 at 10:17 p.m.
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I think even Stevie Y would have to put more on the table to get Trouba.


I seriously doubt he would with where the Wings are in their rebuild.
May 19, 2019 at 10:27 p.m.
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I seriously doubt he would with where the Wings are in their rebuild.


I dunno. That second-round pick is pretty appealing to a team that doesn't have a first-rounder. Add a winger prospect like Taro Hirose or Joseph Veleno and an RhD prospect like Filip Hronek or Gustav Lindstrom to replace Trouba and all of a sudden you may have the #1 RD you need for the next 5 years or more. That's not a pig in a poke.
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May 19, 2019 at 10:30 p.m.
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The Trouba debate, it's crazy how people don't see the value/advantage in acquiring a desired player before they hit the free agency market to get a head start on negotiations and in all reality possibly saving a bit of $$ on the contract.
I understand all sides and arguments of this debate but it seems some just refuse to think it's even a possibility that Stevie Y would entertain the thought of trading for Trouba, just face it, it could happen!.. Lol
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May 19, 2019 at 10:33 p.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
I seriously doubt he would with where the Wings are in their rebuild.


You don't think it's possible Stevie Y was brought in to speed up the rebuild?
Wouldn't trading for a top pairing local boy RHD entering his prime indicate he's 'speeding up the rebuild?
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May 19, 2019 at 10:40 p.m.
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You don't think it's possible Stevie Y was brought in to speed up the rebuild?
Wouldn't trading for a top pairing local boy RHD entering his prime indicate he's 'speeding up the rebuild?


I think that anytime you have a chance to add a defenseman who's clearly better than any other defender on the team, who is just coming in to the prime years of his career, you take it.
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May 19, 2019 at 10:55 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I think that anytime you have a chance to add a defenseman who's clearly better than any other defender on the team, who is just coming in to the prime years of his career, you take it.


I guess too I wonder like how truly bad is Detroit gonna be next season? Like are they gonna be in the 'Crapeniere for Lafreniere' sweepstakes? I don't think so, they'll probably be a bit better than that so would making a pitch for Trouba be the worst idea? I don't think it is, they seem to be kind of at a point where they need to do something to improve the team now rather than waiting for the prospects to develop, maybe moving one or two of those prospects for a sure thing in Trouba is that move.
Idk, just my $0.02.
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May 19, 2019 at 11:10 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I guess too I wonder like how truly bad is Detroit gonna be next season? Like are they gonna be in the 'Crapeniere for Lafreniere' sweepstakes? I don't think so, they'll probably be a bit better than that so would making a pitch for Trouba be the worst idea? I don't think it is, they seem to be kind of at a point where they need to do something to improve the team now rather than waiting for the prospects to develop, maybe moving one or two of those prospects for a sure thing in Trouba is that move.
Idk, just my $0.02.


Even if they improve significantly, they still might be next year's Philadelphia or Chicago and jump up several places and still get a prime prospect in the first round of the draft. I think that now is the time to make that move, because someone else might make it first and who knows, maybe Trouba unexpectedly likes his new team . . .
May 19, 2019 at 11:31 p.m.
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I dunno. That second-round pick is pretty appealing to a team that doesn't have a first-rounder. Add a winger prospect like Taro Hirose or Joseph Veleno and an RhD prospect like Filip Hronek or Gustav Lindstrom to replace Trouba and all of a sudden you may have the #1 RD you need for the next 5 years or more. That's not a pig in a poke.


But a lot of the trades that everyone liked weren't made till Tampa was in the playoffs. Hronek's p/60 numbers and metrics were very close to Trouba's and It was Hronek's first year in the NHL compared to Trouba's most productive. Now I'm probably going to catch hell for this I'm not sure I'd trade Hronek for Trouba 1 for 1. Hronek is leading all defensemen in scoring at the World Championship. Coming in to this season and most of the season Hronek was Detroit's #2 D prospect behind Cholowski.The Wings still think he is going to be a stud. Letting these guys develop some before going out and giving up multiple assets for 1 vet is what Yzerman said at his press conference. When he stressed that Detroit needed to be patient because a rebuild takes time. With the season Veleno had I can't see Detroit giving him up as part of a deal to get one player. Hirose I have no idea about but 10 games 7 points is impressive and most of those games the other team had something to gain with a win. But I still don't think he has a lot a value yet. Now Trouba is a #2 defenseman and he is basically a rental. I know every thinks he will go to Detroit and sign long term but I've heard that before quite a few times and it never pans out. A 2nd pick and Bowey or Rasmussen could work for me but giving up 3 assets is just to much to give up for Detroit.
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May 19, 2019 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Even if they improve significantly, they still might be next year's Philadelphia or Chicago and jump up several places and still get a prime prospect in the first round of the draft. I think that now is the time to make that move, because someone else might make it first and who knows, maybe Trouba unexpectedly likes his new team . . .


Exactly!
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May 19, 2019 at 11:36 p.m.
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But a lot of the trades that everyone liked weren't made till Tampa was in the playoffs. Hronek's p/60 numbers and metrics were very close to Trouba's and It was Hronek's first year in the NHL compared to Trouba's most productive. Now I'm probably going to catch hell for this I'm not sure I'd trade Hronek for Trouba 1 for 1. Hronek is leading all defensemen in scoring at the World Championship. Coming in to this season and most of the season Hronek was Detroit's #2 D prospect behind Cholowski.The Wings still think he is going to be a stud. Letting these guys develop some before going out and giving up multiple assets for 1 vet is what Yzerman said at his press conference. When he stressed that Detroit needed to be patient because a rebuild takes time. With the season Veleno had I can't see Detroit giving him up as part of a deal to get one player. Hirose I have no idea about but 10 games 7 points is impressive and most of those games the other team had something to gain with a win. But I still don't think he has a lot a value yet. Now Trouba is a #2 defenseman and he is basically a rental. I know every thinks he will go to Detroit and sign long term but I've heard that before quite a few times and it never pans out. A 2nd pick and Bowey or Rasmussen could work for me but giving up 3 assets is just to much to give up for Detroit.


Well reasoned and your argument has obvious merit. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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May 20, 2019 at 12:01 a.m.
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Well reasoned and your argument has obvious merit. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


I agree with that, I wonder how long it's going take to move Trouba. From now up until the draft is when he will bring top dollar. After the draft till the start of the season I think his value drops a little. But once the season starts till about the TDL his value drops a significant amount. But if he makes it to the TDL his value goes back up for a team needing that last piece but has no intention of resigning him after the next season. But that just my opinion.
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May 20, 2019 at 8:28 a.m.
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But a lot of the trades that everyone liked weren't made till Tampa was in the playoffs. Hronek's p/60 numbers and metrics were very close to Trouba's and It was Hronek's first year in the NHL compared to Trouba's most productive. Now I'm probably going to catch hell for this I'm not sure I'd trade Hronek for Trouba 1 for 1. Hronek is leading all defensemen in scoring at the World Championship. Coming in to this season and most of the season Hronek was Detroit's #2 D prospect behind Cholowski.The Wings still think he is going to be a stud. Letting these guys develop some before going out and giving up multiple assets for 1 vet is what Yzerman said at his press conference. When he stressed that Detroit needed to be patient because a rebuild takes time. With the season Veleno had I can't see Detroit giving him up as part of a deal to get one player. Hirose I have no idea about but 10 games 7 points is impressive and most of those games the other team had something to gain with a win. But I still don't think he has a lot a value yet. Now Trouba is a #2 defenseman and he is basically a rental. I know every thinks he will go to Detroit and sign long term but I've heard that before quite a few times and it never pans out. A 2nd pick and Bowey or Rasmussen could work for me but giving up 3 assets is just to much to give up for Detroit.


HRONEK should be an untouchable at this point
May 20, 2019 at 1:28 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
The Trouba debate, it's crazy how people don't see the value/advantage in acquiring a desired player before they hit the free agency market to get a head start on negotiations and in all reality possibly saving a bit of $$ on the contract.
I understand all sides and arguments of this debate but it seems some just refuse to think it's even a possibility that Stevie Y would entertain the thought of trading for Trouba, just face it, it could happen!.. Lol
Trouba is a #2 d-man. He's a rental that will hit the UFA market (even with his hometown team). Extra year of negotiating means little other than ability to trade him at the trade deadline and get some of what you are paying for him back if contract talks are too far apart. But giving up an NHL ready prospect (2013 2nd rounder) and one just about NHL ready (2017 top 10 pick) is a huge price to pay for a 1 year rental--especially for a rebuilding team. Yzerman understands how valuable these net front presence guys that can score are. And the thought of giving up Veleno (who will be exempt from a Seattle entry draft) is just as bad.

I think it's just as crazy for people to not understand that Yzerman needs these young prospects with talent and ELC/RFA status to balance the players with bloated contracts left by Holland and that acquiring 1 year rentals on a rebuilding team is way too risky of a move for a GM that is going to be here for a while.
May 20, 2019 at 1:54 p.m.
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Trouba is a #2 d-man. He's a rental that will hit the UFA market (even with his hometown team). Extra year of negotiating means little other than ability to trade him at the trade deadline and get some of what you are paying for him back if contract talks are too far apart. But giving up an NHL ready prospect (2013 2nd rounder) and one just about NHL ready (2017 top 10 pick) is a huge price to pay for a 1 year rental--especially for a rebuilding team. Yzerman understands how valuable these net front presence guys that can score are. And the thought of giving up Veleno (who will be exempt from a Seattle entry draft) is just as bad.

I think it's just as crazy for people to not understand that Yzerman needs these young prospects with talent and ELC/RFA status to balance the players with bloated contracts left by Holland and that acquiring 1 year rentals on a rebuilding team is way too risky of a move for a GM that is going to be here for a while.


I get your point and I fully see that as a possibility and as I said I understand and see all sides of this debate but you either missed my point or just refuse to believe it as a possibility.
Also my comment was just about the Trouba debate in general not this specific trade proposal, sorry maybe I should've been more specific about that.
 
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