I dont know why we would sacrifice Gally and Weber for picks, even early one, in this draft class that is pretty weak.

The picks could be changed to next year, for sure. I think Gallagher's great contract expires about the time this team will be competing hard again, and I'm not so sure Weber will be worth his contract by then (I'm fairly sure he won't, cause I don't really think he is now)

Buffalo says no. Weber and Bogosian play the same amount of games each year.

Not good for Montreal, Gallagher is worth far more than an 8th pick at the draft this year where, because of lack of consensus outside the top 2, there is a decent chance of drafting a dud.

Sabres wouldnt give up Pilut and a first, they are not a win now team

2019 is not a weak draft at all

Yes it is. Of course we'll know in the long run, but all the pro-scouts analysis I have read says it's not as deep as 2018 and significantly not as much as 2020 will be.

Weber is the habs #1D and captain. You are gonna trade him for a late 1st round pick, a Mike Reilly 2.0 and a cap dump.

Just ridiculous. Not trying to single you out, many people undervalue Weber, just saying that it's all ridiculous.

Do you even know who pilut is? Have you watched bogo recently?

Don't really know who pilut is, should I? Looked him up and he looks like he's had similar success as Mike Reilly when Reilly was 22 years old, (pilut is already 23). The point is pilut has proven nothing and wasn't drafted. He played 3rd pairing minutes last season as a 23 year old for buffalo. Nothing about pilut is spectacular that makes me say "hey we should trade our captain and #1Dman for this guy!".

What is so significant about bogosian's play recently? Nothing has changed over the past 5 years for him. He is still an overpaid dman.

Do you know who Weber is?

Pilut played his first year in NA last year coming over as a European free agent. He actually posted pretty good underlying numbers and is only going to get better.

You undersold bogo a bit. He played almost up to his cap hit this past year with remaining healthy for the most part.

Shea Weber is aging on a bad contract and is now injury prone like bogo was.

I wouldn't say Weber is injury prone. He had one major injury, but other than that he has had no issues. I don't think Weber's contract is bad. I'm also not concerned about his age - he is smart (positioning), strong (6'4" with old man strength), and he will always have his blast from the point.

Pilut has not shown enough to make him the main piece of a trade.

I think Petry is better than Weber, I also think basically everything Bogo accomplished can be attributed to Dahlin. Pilut has great underlying numbers, and could/should probably play on a middle pairing right now. I think this trade is in Mtl's favor long term, but I also think Buffalo should try to compete with Dahlin on an ELC instead of when he's making 8+ million per season two years into the future. This doesn't have to be the trade, but at the same time with both of you thinking you're coming out of it fleeced the value might not be that far off

I think 90% of trades and up with fans of there respective teams not liking it. I think it's because we tend to overvalue our own players, or the value might be right but it just doesnt make sense.

I think the value isnt there and it makes no sense. If I'm trading Weber I'm getting stud in return, pilut is not that.

And on Petry being better... petry had 46 pts last year and was -5. Weber was on pace for 46 pts and +21. Everyone says +/- is a bogus stat, but I think within context it is useful. Playing for the same team Weber was on pace for a difference of 26 goals compared to Petry while also being just as productive individually.

I love petry, but he is not better than Weber.

For sure, everyone overvalues prospects in general, their own players in general, and their own prospects to insane degrees.

Yeah so they also set up a powerplay to revolve around Weber blasting the puck to his best ability. That is a skill, for sure, but it's not really that effective and doesn't do much other than blowing Weber's goal stat out of proportion. They have VERY similar 5v5 numbers, Weber playing with better teammates vs better competition etc. But sure, I might have oversold Petry a bit, I don't think they're far apart at least, how about that?

What usually sets peoples opinions apart is their idea of where the team is headed I think. That together with general roster contruction philosophy. How do you feel about this team? Cause I think they're sort of good, but I also don't see what would drag them from sort of good to real contender. Kotkaniemi could realistically up his production, but at the same time I don't think he'll match his defense and Selke-esque season he just had, Poehling? Suzuki? Possible improvements, sure, but game changers? That's a tough one for me, I think this team has to move on from their older players while their value / perceived value is still high around the league. lmk what you think!

That's fair enough, but I would be disappointed with this kind of move. I think they are one top 4 d-man from being a playoff team. MTL was good enough this year to be a playoff team, and if there is anything to be taken from the playoffs this year it is that anyone can honestly win once they are in. I think MTL could have went on a good run if they got in, they were 7-2-1 heading into the playoffs I think.

I think this team is ready to contend if they trade a forward for a top 4 dman, and sign a forward to replace the one they trade. They are young and have lots of prospects coming to keep their window open for many years.