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what will it take to bring in Barkov Holtby and Suzuki

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Team: 2019-20 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: May 22, 2019
Published: May 25, 2019
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Should i keep dreaming? am i completely off?
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May 25, 2019 at 9:35 p.m.
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What in tarnation
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Yeah you're pretty far off. I'd say Barkov is in TOP5 of the most untouchable players in the league, considering his level of development and age... Some already considers him a TOP5 center in the world...
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May 25, 2019 at 9:38 p.m.
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Yeah you're pretty far off. I'd say Barkov is in TOP5 of the most untouchable players in the league, considering his level of development and age... Some already considers him a TOP5 center in the world...


6th isnt that bad tbh
May 25, 2019 at 9:40 p.m.
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Stanley Cup-winning goalies don't grow on trees, so I don't think that this is anywhere near what you'd have to pay to get Holtby.

Monahan, Andersson and a first might get Barkov, but only if it was Calgary and not Edmonton that had the #8 pick.
May 25, 2019 at 9:50 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Stanley Cup-winning goalies don't grow on trees, so I don't think that this is anywhere near what you'd have to pay to get Holtby.


The only issue here is Holtby’s contract situation. He’s almost a UFA and will likely want a pay raise. Washington would be silly not to jump at that offer considering their goalie prospects on the way.
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May 25, 2019 at 9:52 p.m.
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Gee, Habs. don't make that deal. Two OK players on last years of their contacts for potential star Suzuki. I'll disagree with some others about Holtby. Seems like a lot for his one year deal.
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May 25, 2019 at 10:13 p.m.
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I think there's this idea that value is linear, which just isn't true. Both the 1st rounder and Jankowski are so insignificant, not only to Monahan's value, but especially to Barkov's even higher value that they hardly matter in this trade. I wouldn't go from a 1C close to the top to a 1C close to the bottom (of 1C's) for almost anything. When you play Barkov you win the 1st-on-1st centre match-up which is happening 1/3rd of each game, roughly 5/6 times. With Monahan I'd argue you lose it 5/6 times. This value isn't made up by adding Jankowski's or late 1sts. I wouldn't, as Florida, trade Barkov for 2x Monahan, because the issue you start running into is having more good players, than better good players. If your 2C wins his matchup 9/10 times that's still a net loss considering you downgraded massively on 1C. Then there's the entire issue that 2x Monahan cost the same as 2x, not 1x, Barkov as well.

Point being, top, top tier players are basically only traded for other top, top tier players. For famous examples where that didn't happen, see Hall, Taylor for Larsson, Adam. The only other option being very good prospects/picks, and this is mostly done to fit team needs or for teams to align better to their "competitive cycles", for a trade along the same lines but with brain activity involved on both parts, see Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones.

Basically never have teams traded down in percieved skill, especially on their most important positions (1C, 1D, G) and won out. When they have, like in Brassard for Zibanejad and picks (I actually stated this was poor at the time, but we should all be careful with hindsight bias) it's in order to get younger etc. It wasn't the value the Rangers got back that won them the trade - that was entirely based on Zibanejad actually being/becoming the better player. The 2nd and 5th rounder or whatever was involved is entirely irrelevant.

So trades that were in the mould of this: Thornton for magic beans, Seguin for Smith/Eriksson and a couple of bodies, Kesler for Bonino+ (which was entirely in Anaheim's favor if we ignore contracts and injuries), Burns for Coyle and beans etc.
The one I found that worked out the other way was Jeff Carter for Voracek and a pick (#8) that turned out to be Couturier. I can't tell you that much about #8 in this draft, but I can tell you that the expected value for that pick is way below Sean Couturier.
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May 25, 2019 at 11:24 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Stanley Cup-winning goalies don't grow on trees, so I don't think that this is anywhere near what you'd have to pay to get Holtby.

Monahan, Andersson and a first might get Barkov, but only if it was Calgary and not Edmonton that had the #8 pick.


Barkov is untouchable, asked Tallon once and he was like if a team offered a top center, top 2 d and 4 top 10 picks, then he might consider it.... so basically he’s saying he not going to trade Barkov for anything.
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May 26, 2019 at 1:07 a.m.
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The only deal I see for Suzuki involves Valimaki.
May 26, 2019 at 1:15 a.m.
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Suzuki trade is laughable
May 26, 2019 at 12:16 p.m.
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All the trades seem laughable from the Flames perspective. Giving up way too much.
 
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