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Karlsson Reasonable

Created by: kuchdaddy86
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2019
Published: May 26, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Team Explanation
Karlsson will take a discount to come to Tampa. Plus, no state income tax will already have him signing for less. Assume Killorn/Palat waive their clauses.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Point, Brayden7$8,000,000
Paquette, Cédric2$1,000,000
Erne, Adam2$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Karlsson, Erik5$8,500,000
Trades
TBL
  1. Bjorkstrand, Oliver
CBJ
  1. Palat, Ondrej
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. 2020 5th round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Callahan, Ryan
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Killorn, Alex
Buyouts
  • Matthew Carle: $1,833,333
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
TBL
TBL
BUF
TBL
TBL
TBL
CHI
2020
TBL
TBL
TBL
ARI
TBL
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,000,000$82,421,756$0$1,862,500$578,244
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
LW, C, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Point, Brayden
$8,000,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
TBL
Miller, J.T.
$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 4
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
CBJ
Bjorkstrand, Oliver
$2,500,000
RW
RFA - 2
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
$728,333
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
$728,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Erne, Adam
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
$1,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TBL
Volkov, Alexander
$864,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
Karlsson, Erik
$8,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 8
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$697,500
RD
RFA - 1
TBL
Domingue, Louis
$1,150,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$894,166
LD
RFA - 1
TBL
Rutta, Jan
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TBL
Barré-Boulet, Alex
$759,258
C
RFA - 2
TBL
Foote, Cal
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2

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May 26, 2019 at 12:31
#1
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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5x8.5 isn't reasonable. 7x9.5 is though given the tax incentives.
May 26, 2019 at 1:21
#2
Joined: May 2016
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Jackets decline. Bjorkstrand is really starting to develop nicely. Even Torts likes him. Not going anywhere.
May 26, 2019 at 1:27
#3
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
5x8.5 isn't reasonable. 7x9.5 is though given the tax incentives.


Friedman and Marek said on their latest podcast if he is set on playing with Tampa that he would have to take a discount and even thought he might not make more than Hedman to get it done just so he can get term.
May 26, 2019 at 1:27
#4
Skytown
Joined: Dec 2018
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
5x8.5 isn't reasonable. 7x9.5 is though given the tax incentives.


I totally think it’s reasonable. I truly believe that if he wants to go there so badly, he will take the same contract as his friend/reason he wants to go there, Victor Hedman. 6 years at $7.875. Sure he could go elsewhere and make $8, or 9, or maybe even $11 million. But at the end of the day, he’s made his money. Nearly $50 MILLION ($46,355,309 according to the career earnings page on here)
Why not go have fun in the sun, and try to win a championship? It’s not always about the money.
May 26, 2019 at 1:45
#5
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: Skytown
I totally think it’s reasonable. I truly believe that if he wants to go there so badly, he will take the same contract as his friend/reason he wants to go there, Victor Hedman. 6 years at $7.875. Sure he could go elsewhere and make $8, or 9, or maybe even $11 million. But at the end of the day, he’s made his money. Nearly $50 MILLION ($46,355,309 according to the career earnings page on here)
Why not go have fun in the sun, and try to win a championship? It’s not always about the money.


Ya. It’s about money
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May 26, 2019 at 1:48
#6
Lets go bolts!
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 636
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@kuchdaddy86 your username is great! I think point and Karlsson both make 9 million but the term is up in the air. Also I'm not really for trading Palat atm I'm banging on the killorn trade drum and gourde even though it looks bad.
May 26, 2019 at 2:18
#7
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,838
Likes: 323
No Karlsson .. damaged goods .. plus zero cap for 2020 when Vaz Cirelli Joseph Cernek and Serg are all due as RFA and no one comes off books .. why doing any of the dumb Karlason folks see this.. not to mention he is NOT needed in Tampa .. he a regular season stats guy who isn't tough. got enough of those soft serve ice cream cones..
May 26, 2019 at 2:25
#8
RobBlakeIsAnIdiot
Joined: May 2018
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You don't want to put Hedman and Karlsson on the same line. One has to be one 2nd pairing with McDonagh.
May 26, 2019 at 2:32
#9
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
5x8.5 isn't reasonable. 7x9.5 is though given the tax incentives.


8.5M in Tampa is around 9.5M in New York (state) and 10.5M in San Jose.

8.5M for Karlsson in tampa could be reasonable
May 26, 2019 at 2:36
#10
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
No Karlsson .. damaged goods .. plus zero cap for 2020 when Vaz Cirelli Joseph Cernek and Serg are all due as RFA and no one comes off books .. why doing any of the dumb Karlason folks see this.. not to mention he is NOT needed in Tampa .. he a regular season stats guy who isn't tough. got enough of those soft serve ice cream cones..


What are you taking about. Karlsson is 0.83 ppg in the playoffs. Remeber when he single handedly dragged Ottawa's ass to the ECF?
Quit your campain against Karlsson if you have no proof/stats/reasonable thesis backing up what you are saying
May 26, 2019 at 2:37
#11
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Quoting: Bf3351
You don't want to put Hedman and Karlsson on the same line. One has to be one 2nd pairing with McDonagh.


McDonagh will play with Cernak as they were the best D pairing for Tampa last season.

Hedman and Karlsson probably would play together, s they did when they were younger and when they play together ifor the Swedish national team
May 26, 2019 at 2:50
#12
RobBlakeIsAnIdiot
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: Zwui21
McDonagh will play with Cernak as they were the best D pairing for Tampa last season.

Hedman and Karlsson probably would play together, s they did when they were younger and when they play together ifor the Swedish national team


Those are two offensive defensemen you dont want to play them on the same line you need balance throughout your blue line.
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May 26, 2019 at 2:51
#13
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Zwui21
8.5M in Tampa is around 9.5M in New York (state) and 10.5M in San Jose.

8.5M for Karlsson in tampa could be reasonable


the going rate for him is 11. i agree that the discount in florida will be significant, but i think it's more like 9.5 rather than 8.5
May 26, 2019 at 2:57
#14
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
the going rate for him is 11. i agree that the discount in florida will be significant, but i think it's more like 9.5 rather than 8.5


I don't know, I think the max price has lowered a bit because of his injuries of this season
May 26, 2019 at 2:59
#15
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Quoting: Bf3351
Those are two offensive defensemen you dont want to play them on the same line you need balance throughout your blue line.


If they play together Hedman will probably be in charge of being more aware on the defensive end.
But will see, let's discuss this only if/when Tampa signs EK65. I'm still disappointed because of that "Sources tell me Karlsson to Tampa is a done deal" of last July lol
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May 26, 2019 at 3:06
#16
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
the going rate for him is 11. i agree that the discount in florida will be significant, but i think it's more like 9.5 rather than 8.5


It has been said multiple times that he will take Hedman money to come to Tampa. Around 8 mill or so
May 26, 2019 at 3:20
#17
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
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Damaged goods. Two VERY serious lower body injuries last couple years as he approaches 30.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense to ruin your cap for .. and defensively he is weak to say otherwise is just silly
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May 26, 2019 at 3:41
#18
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Quoting: kuchdaddy86
It has been said multiple times that he will take Hedman money to come to Tampa. Around 8 mill or so


No, these are still speculations. And it's true that we have to take them as they are. We can be pretty sure that if he comes to Tampa he'll take a discount ( as otherwise we won't be able to fit him) but the number he'd come with is all but sure. could be low 8 to high 9 for what we know
May 26, 2019 at 3:50
#19
BOLT LOVER
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Haven't you ever heard of fake news? .. bet you watch CNN ..
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May 26, 2019 at 3:56
#20
RobBlakeIsAnIdiot
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Haven't you ever heard of fake news? .. bet you watch CNN ..


Wait.. CNN doesn't tell the truth?
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May 26, 2019 at 6:46
#21
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: kuchdaddy86
It has been said multiple times that he will take Hedman money to come to Tampa. Around 8 mill or so


By who? Karlsson? Writers?
May 26, 2019 at 7:52
#22
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Damaged goods. Two VERY serious lower body injuries last couple years as he approaches 30.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense to ruin your cap for .. and defensively he is weak to say otherwise is just silly


I agree. Is it possible for me to say hell never sign for this little and simultaneously say this is way more than Tampa should pay?
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May 26, 2019 at 8:47
#23
BOLT LOVER
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
By who? Karlsson? Writers?


Fake News .. filter away from CNN ..
May 26, 2019 at 8:54
#24
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I agree. Is it possible for me to say hell never sign for this little and simultaneously say this is way more than Tampa should pay?


Yeah, why would you sign a generational talent that is under 30 y/o
...
May 27, 2019 at 2:56
#25
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Fake News .. filter away from CNN ..


Spoken like a true Floridian. Let the hurricanes come
 
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