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Tough Decisions - Panic Mode

Created by: Chiller
Initial Creation Date: May 23, 2019
Published: May 29, 2019 at 8:11
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Main Goal, to shed Salary and Fit the team under the cap without making them objectively worse.

Kap and Johnsson are signed on 2-3 year bridge deals. Many comparisons but I think they fall in 5-6M total between em.

Marner, based on comparables and Athletic Articles, 4-7 years at 11% of the cap, which is around 9.125M

I have extra cap space for when Hyman and Dermott come back. They should fit based on gaining cap space from LTIR.

Trades
Connor Brown was a useful player, but Babs is not using him properly. Rumors have been around for a while for going to Edmonton. Send him for some type of Picks package or B-AHL Prospects.

Nikita Ziatsev also must go before July 1st. NYI have lots of Capspace, but more importantly Lou, who signed Ziatsev to that stupid contract. Now Ziatsev is not useless, he is good, Lou thought so. So I assume he would want him back. Its more Ziatsevs term that hurts more than the caphit. But both arent ideal. He needs to go.

I thought Miller would be more easier to aquire since Vegas isnt playing him and needs to shed cap over another D like Brett Pesce's. It seems like a bit much from a Leafs perspective, but that probably means its sort of fair?

Marleau is not going anywhere. He is loved by the Leafs, he has 4 kids who he wont want to uproot again and most importantly has a full NMC which I am 98% sure he wont waive. So he stays.

Also
Hainsey is not back. I would not mind him as a 5/6 and PK specialist. However, I cannot trust Babs to play him on the top pair again, so Dubas wont sign it to save Babcock from himself.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell8$9,125,000
Kapanen, Kasperi3$3,250,000
Subban, Jordan1$750,000
Carcone, Michael1$750,000
Johnsson, Andreas2$2,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hutchinson, Michael1$1,000,000
Ennis, Tyler2$850,000
Marincin, Martin2$850,000
Mueller, Chris2$750,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Quenneville, David
  2. 2020 4th round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
*Instead of Quenneville Insert any B Level prosect in the AHL you think has some value. I dont know NYI Good Enough
NYI
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Ziatsev is not a useless Defencemen. He can be effective in the right role. He is a PKer and he can eat minutes which is what All good Old school hockey men like. Not to mention Lou signed him to this deal. He took Martin. I think he would take Ziatsev too.
TOR
  1. Miller, Colin
Additional Details:
Colin Miller is a healthy scratch, but is not a bad defencemen. Right now Vegas has admitted they need to shed cap.
VGK
  1. Korshkov, Yegor
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Vegas gets a former 2nd round pick and another 2nd. Could maybe do an upgrade that if The leafs make it to the conference Final, they get another pick.
TOR
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Brown, Connor
  2. 2019 5th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
TOR
NYI
TOR
STL
TOR
DAL
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
NYI
EDM
TOR
TOR
SJS
EDM
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$82,713,866$0$132,500$786,134
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$2,250,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$9,125,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,250,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Marchment, Mason
$767,500
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Ennis, Tyler
$850,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
VGK
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
TOR
Sparks, Garret
$750,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2

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May 29, 2019 at 8:21
#1
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I would love to see marner sign at the figure. But seems like the old man and his agent are getting a little greedy. Would he really sign an offer sheet for an extra 500k, to play with a substantially worse team?
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May 29, 2019 at 8:24
#2
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i really like colin miller. I think the reason he isnt playing is because of the coach though. He was good in boston, solid in vegas but they fell out of love with him. They didnt like tatar either and he has done so well in montreal
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May 29, 2019 at 8:25
#3
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Holl and Maricin in the starting six, think you have proved the Leaf need Zaitev. Agree with playing assessment of Zaitsev but he is a difficult trade as teams would prefer long term cap flexibility.
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May 29, 2019 at 8:25
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Leafs have put them themselves in this position by signing tavares. Marner will not sign that contract, someone will have not problem sending him a 5yr $10.5 contract where compensation is only two 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

And what comparables are you using? 2009? Unfortunately for the leafs Marner is showing he is equal to Matthews so why does he just get paid 2.5 less per year?
May 29, 2019 at 8:25
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Quoting: Jeff_Fingers_Agnet04
I would love to see marner sign at the figure. But seems like the old man and his agent are getting a little greedy. Would he really sign an offer sheet for an extra 500k, to play with a substantially worse team?


I think the thing that bugs me the most is do you think Marner is worth 2-3 million dollars MORE than Nikita Kucherov? I get Tampa has no sales tax which is why Kuch is lower than expected but still. I think if I was Dumbas 9.5 would be as high as I would want to go.
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May 29, 2019 at 8:32
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Brewmaster
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Quoting: EricRobson77
I think the thing that bugs me the most is do you think Marner is worth 2-3 million dollars MORE than Nikita Kucherov? I get Tampa has no sales tax which is why Kuch is lower than expected but still. I think if I was Dumbas 9.5 would be as high as I would want to go.


Quoting: DONTGIVEAPUCK13
Leafs have put them themselves in this position by signing tavares. Marner will not sign that contract, someone will have not problem sending him a 5yr $10.5 contract where compensation is only two 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

And what comparables are you using? 2009? Unfortunately for the leafs Marner is showing he is equal to Matthews so why does he just get paid 2.5 less per year?


It is weirdly not that much more with the sales tax. It not as significant. It is something, but not crazy.

And comparables, yes 2009- Kane he signed his 2nd deal at 11%. % of cap s hould be similar over the years. The trend and they have very similar point totals. Also, if you look at Brayden Point and Ratanen, you have "experts" who say Mitch is worth 11.5M saying Brayden and Ratanen are only worth 8.5ish. Meanwhile Ratanen had a better points, Brayden plays center and was 4 points shy of Marner. Doesnt really make much sense that Mitch is worth more.

Also, before this year, Mitch and Nylander were trending the same. Mitch had a great year, some credit is given to JT, there is proof he makes great players better. Also in a league where the objective is to score goals, Matthews is on another level compared to most if not all other people in the NHL at 5v5. He is also a center, a more valuable position.
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May 29, 2019 at 8:34
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Quoting: DONTGIVEAPUCK13
Leafs have put them themselves in this position by signing tavares. Marner will not sign that contract, someone will have not problem sending him a 5yr $10.5 contract where compensation is only two 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

And what comparables are you using? 2009? Unfortunately for the leafs Marner is showing he is equal to Matthews so why does he just get paid 2.5 less per year?


Only thing TML didnt screw themselves is signing Tavares. They failed by overpaying Matthews, actually Dubarelli did.

11,634M = 8y

5y = 9M

With the above, Marner camp would have no leverage....
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May 29, 2019 at 8:35
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9.5 would be a fair value I think. I find it very hard to believe that the Marner is really “hurting” for cash that he would leave Toronto for a marginal difference. If he leaves Toronto so will all of those commercial you see him on every day, his cap hit was 900k last year but with all the endorsments he does he eaily could have made millions of dollars last year BECAUSE he was in Toronto, no other rookie would get the endorsements like he did in a smaller market
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May 29, 2019 at 8:46
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Quoting: Chiller
It is weirdly not that much more with the sales tax. It not as significant. It is something, but not crazy.

And comparables, yes 2009- Kane he signed his 2nd deal at 11%. % of cap s hould be similar over the years. The trend and they have very similar point totals. Also, if you look at Brayden Point and Ratanen, you have "experts" who say Mitch is worth 11.5M saying Brayden and Ratanen are only worth 8.5ish. Meanwhile Ratanen had a better points, Brayden plays center and was 4 points shy of Marner. Doesnt really make much sense that Mitch is worth more.

Also, before this year, Mitch and Nylander were trending the same. Mitch had a great year, some credit is given to JT, there is proof he makes great players better. Also in a league where the objective is to score goals, Matthews is on another level compared to most if not all other people in the NHL at 5v5. He is also a center, a more valuable position.


Exactly, if im point or Rantaanen id wait to see what marner signs for and ask for the exact same. They are arguably better players and deserve for money based off their playoff success. But if im Dubas I hope those two players sign for reasonable numbers before July 1 and offer marner a comparable deal, the marner camp will have little leverage justifying that he is worth millions more then those two players.
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May 29, 2019 at 8:48
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Toronto is going to continue to struggle even if they roll with this line up, they have done nothing to help their defense which is the reason they csnt get past the first round. Offense is amazing, but if we have learned anything defense wins championships. Look at Carolina their offense is horrible but they made it to the third round because of their stacked defense. Toronto should worry less about signing Marner and try and help their defense by trading him
May 29, 2019 at 8:53
#11
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Brewmaster
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Quoting: TheDime99
Toronto is going to continue to struggle even if they roll with this line up, they have done nothing to help their defense which is the reason they csnt get past the first round. Offense is amazing, but if we have learned anything defense wins championships. Look at Carolina their offense is horrible but they made it to the third round because of their stacked defense. Toronto should worry less about signing Marner and try and help their defense by trading him


The D needs an upgrade. If Mitch wants more than 9.5, then yes trading him might be the way. If not, you have Sandin, Liljegren,, Dursek, Dermott(when back) who can jump in you would hope in half a year to 2 years. In the mean time I think its patience and saving babcock from himself and forcing him to use mobile defencemen.
May 29, 2019 at 8:58
#12
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Quoting: Chiller
The D needs an upgrade. If Mitch wants more than 9.5, then yes trading him might be the way. If not, you have Sandin, Liljegren,, Dursek, Dermott(when back) who can jump in you would hope in half a year to 2 years. In the mean time I think its patience and saving babcock from himself and forcing him to use mobile defencemen.


Not to mention Rosen and Borgman, both of which are ready for NHL time...then you have Lindgren who had a strong showing during the playoffs.
May 29, 2019 at 9:15
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Quoting: EricRobson77
I think the thing that bugs me the most is do you think Marner is worth 2-3 million dollars MORE than Nikita Kucherov? I get Tampa has no sales tax which is why Kuch is lower than expected but still. I think if I was Dumbas 9.5 would be as high as I would want to go.


marner also lives for free. the taxes thing is over blown because the total amount more they really get compared to players who have to pay taxes is around seven percent. something canadian players have is the exchange rate because they get paid in american dollars so they make a ton more that way
May 29, 2019 at 9:35
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Quoting: EricRobson77
I think the thing that bugs me the most is do you think Marner is worth 2-3 million dollars MORE than Nikita Kucherov? I get Tampa has no sales tax which is why Kuch is lower than expected but still. I think if I was Dumbas 9.5 would be as high as I would want to go.


Kuch is 3 years older and went super Nova this year on a stacked team you could project Marner to be better than Kuch. Matthews hasn't come close to Kuchs states so what does he make 2M more?
May 29, 2019 at 9:53
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Quoting: DONTGIVEAPUCK13
Kuch is 3 years older and went super Nova this year on a stacked team you could project Marner to be better than Kuch. Matthews hasn't come close to Kuchs states so what does he make 2M more?


Matthews is a center, a position which is heavily more important than a RW. And Kuch has being blowing up the league for the past three years go look.
May 29, 2019 at 11:02
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Quoting: EricRobson77
Matthews is a center, a position which is heavily more important than a RW. And Kuch has being blowing up the league for the past three years go look.


85, 100 and 128. Before that not much. What if Marner goes 91, 110 and 130? Plus he'd still have done it a year sooner than Kuch.
May 29, 2019 at 11:10
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Quoting: DONTGIVEAPUCK13
85, 100 and 128. Before that not much. What if Marner goes 91, 110 and 130? Plus he'd still have done it a year sooner than Kuch.


So 65 and 66 points isnt much? Im confused. Like I understand what youre getting at. Marner is a beast and is going get paid, I just think the NHL is paying players top high and its messing up the market. I dont think there should even be a player over 10 million other than mcdavid
 
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