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It seems that Zaitsev has asked for a trade

May 30 at 5:25
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Quoting: Pmwalker
They tried trading him last season and found no takers. It’s gonna take retention or a sweetener. Let’s be realistic.


The Leafs were not willing to trade Z for nothing last year, and there was a market for a cheap deal last year. It has been widely reported that the internet seriously undervalues what the Leafs could get in a Z trade.

Someone traded for Erik Gudbranson. They also signed Jack Johnsson. Someone paid Ceci twice to three times as much as he is worth. Someone will take him, mark my words.
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May 30 at 5:25
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Quoting: ThatGuy
Is filling Gardners, Zaitsev, Hainsey's roster spot for a couple of AHL D and a cheap FA really the best solution?


Short term no, long term yes.
May 30 at 5:28
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Quoting: Random2152
The Leafs were not willing to trade Z for nothing last year, and there was a market for a cheap deal last year. It has been widely reported that the internet seriously undervalues what the Leafs could get in a Z trade.

Someone traded for Erik Gudbranson. They also signed Jack Johnsson. Someone paid Ceci twice to three times as much as he is worth. Someone will take him, mark my words.


I don’t doubt someone will. It will require retention, equal contract back, sweetener or accepting a **** trade though.
May 30 at 5:40
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Question.. what do the Leafs and the Easter Bunny have in common? .. both never make it to May


Good one
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May 30 at 6:01
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Quoting: Pmwalker
I don’t doubt someone will. It will require retention, equal contract back, sweetener or accepting a **** trade though.


Allow me to point out that the following players currently constitute the right side of Anaheim's defense when Josh Manson isn't on the ice: 31-year-old UFA Korbinian Holzer, who played only 22 games for us last year despite being healthy and who has all of 157 games' experience over 7 (!) seasons; RFA Jake Dotchin, who played 20 games for us last year, had one point and has 103 games in the NHL; UFA Andy Welinski, who has 33 games in the NHL; and UFA Andrej Sustr, who clearly appears to be at the end of his career.
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May 30 at 6:08
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Allow me to point out that the following players currently constitute the right side of Anaheim's defense when Josh Manson isn't on the ice: 31-year-old UFA Korbinian Holzer, who played only 22 games for us last year despite being healthy and who has all of 157 games' experience over 7 (!) seasons; RFA Jake Dotchin, who played 20 games for us last year, had one point and has 103 games in the NHL; UFA Andy Welinski, who has 33 games in the NHL; and UFA Andrej Sustr, who clearly appears to be at the end of his career.


It's almost like RHD are worth something because there aren't alot of them around? That's a decent working theory you have there, OldNY
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May 30 at 6:10
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Allow me to point out that the following players currently constitute the right side of Anaheim's defense when Josh Manson isn't on the ice: 31-year-old UFA Korbinian Holzer, who played only 22 games for us last year despite being healthy and who has all of 157 games' experience over 7 (!) seasons; RFA Jake Dotchin, who played 20 games for us last year, had one point and has 103 games in the NHL; UFA Andy Welinski, who has 33 games in the NHL; and UFA Andrej Sustr, who clearly appears to be at the end of his career.


That also explains Ducks's position in the standings, doesn't it
May 30 at 6:16
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
It's almost like RHD are worth something because there aren't alot of them around? That's a decent working theory you have there, OldNY


Yes, especially reasonably good penalty killers. (I think having to spend so much time killing penalties led in no small part to a downgrade in Manson's performance this past season.) That's why I think all these posts showing Toronto sending a third with Zaitsev in order to get back a sixth are bull****. If I was Bob Murray, or Rob Blake for that matter, I would happily send the Maple Leafs a fourth for Zaitsev, alone.
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May 30 at 6:19
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Quoting: TheChief
That also explains Ducks's position in the standings, doesn't it


In large part, yes. I also detected a rather disturbing undercurrent running through this team in December and January -- that many of them had just quit caring.
May 30 at 6:25
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
In large part, yes. I also detected a rather disturbing undercurrent running through this team in December and January -- that many of them had just quit caring.


Indeed. My personal motto actual stands for this quite well: If you want to get some sh*t, you gotta give some sh*t.

That works in general life as well. And hockey, too.
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May 30 at 6:30
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Indeed. My personal motto actual stands for this quite well: If you want to get some sh*t, you gotta give some sh*t.

That works in general life as well. And hockey, too.


Yeah, and I think that Bob Murray had at least an inkling of that before he decided to step behind the bench for the balance of the season instead of hiring a caretaker interim coach -- he wanted to see up close whose heart was really still in it.
May 30 at 6:46
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Yes, especially reasonably good penalty killers. (I think having to spend so much time killing penalties led in no small part to a downgrade in Manson's performance this past season.) That's why I think all these posts showing Toronto sending a third with Zaitsev in order to get back a sixth are bull****. If I was Bob Murray, or Rob Blake for that matter, I would happily send the Maple Leafs a fourth for Zaitsev, alone.


It's too bad it looks like were losing Z but I can understand it both from the leafs cap perspective and from Z's as well. Being a scapegoat in Toronto can't be a fun role to play.

Z has value and will bring something back. People were saying the same thing about Matt Martin last something and we found a home for him and he brought a piece back.

Regardless, now the hunt for defense begins..
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May 30 at 10:43
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The worst AGMs
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Quoting: MacerV
Might be, or might not. He could have a good showing. Just turned 25 and was one of the best defenders in the AHL (was 2nd in the AHL version of the Norris if I recall correctly). Borgman ain't bad either and could bring a nice level of physicality to the leafs.

Its not likely to be pretty but I mean its going to give the leafs some time to evaluate what they got.

Muzzin - Rielly
Rosen - Liljegren
Sandin - Borgman


Help cry so 4 rookies
need to get some training and scrimaging over the offseason
well, you never know till you try...
May 30 at 10:47
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Quoting: SpaghettiPasta
Help cry so 4 rookies
need to get some training and scrimaging over the offseason
well, you never know till you try...


Technically 3. Borgman doesn't qualify for the Calder as he's played half a season in the NHL. This is also assuming they don't trade or sign any additional players which I would imagine is unlikely.
May 30 at 10:49
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The worst AGMs
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It depends what teams have Muzzinian defenseman
Nikita played well with thy muzz, and if teams have muzzinlike defensemen, we might not have to retain.
 
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