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The perfect Marleau trade template is a 3 way deal IMO

Created by: F50marco
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 3, 2019
Published: Jun. 3, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Doesn't have to be Montreal, Im just using any team with extra cap space to fasciliate Tor having almost zero cap burden and the other team acquiring him only having to pay 50% of his current cost.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Marleau, Patrick
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (TOR)
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Toronto effectively gets rid of all of his cap and since the 3 way ends up being to the team he wants to go to, he should be willing to waive for this to work.
2.
MTL
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (CHI)
ARI
  1. Marleau, Patrick ($3,125,000 retained)
Additional Details:
If Arizona really wants Marleau, this significantly cuts his cost in cap and the value needed to get him is pretty minimal. 3rd or 4th whatever it takes. Could be LAK or whomever Marleau accepts to go to.
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2019
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2020
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22$83,000,000$72,193,809$0$3,525,000$10,806,191
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Jun. 3, 2019 at 7:34 p.m.
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Thank you Pavelski
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Agreed. 3-way trade is a best way to move Marleau. I've already constructed one between CHI, ARI and TOR. I'd appreciate feedback on it.
Jun. 3, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.
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I get the feeling that Arizona doesn't particularly want Marleau, they're more intrigued by what they can get as a consequence of taking on his salary. And it doesn't hurt that they could use his veteran leadership for their young core.
Jun. 3, 2019 at 7:57 p.m.
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I get the feeling that Arizona doesn't particularly want Marleau, they're more intrigued by what they can get as a consequence of taking on his salary. And it doesn't hurt that they could use his veteran leadership for their young core.


If that's the case than so be it. I can't know for sure so Im assuming they actually want him as a player more so than the pick that may come with him. I kind of doubt Arizona is ok with taking on his salary without giving any in return though. They ahve some players to sign and not a ton of cap space for a team that has historically never went all the way up to the cap. Marleau isn't an empty contract. That's still 4.25M of actual salary to pay. Unless the trade happens after Marleau's bonus is paid. The that changes a lot obviously.
Jun. 3, 2019 at 8:04 p.m.
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If that's the case than so be it. I can't know for sure so Im assuming they actually want him as a player more so than the pick that may come with him. I kind of doubt Arizona is ok with taking on his salary without giving any in return though. They ahve some players to sign and not a ton of cap space for a team that has historically never went all the way up to the cap. Marleau isn't an empty contract. That's still 4.25M of actual salary to pay. Unless the trade happens after Marleau's bonus is paid. The that changes a lot obviously.


I'm not ruling out the fact that they could just want him and if thats the case, I agree a 3 team format makes the most sense. But if they were to do it straight up, my guess is that AZ would send TOR some salary back. For example:
AZ: Marleau, Kapanen (Or similar young forward piece)
TOR: Goligoski (Lefty but plays right side), Fischer, 3rd Round Pick (CHI)
Jun. 3, 2019 at 9:23 p.m.
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I'm not ruling out the fact that they could just want him and if thats the case, I agree a 3 team format makes the most sense. But if they were to do it straight up, my guess is that AZ would send TOR some salary back. For example:
AZ: Marleau, Kapanen (Or similar young forward piece)
TOR: Goligoski (Lefty but plays right side), Fischer, 3rd Round Pick (CHI)


Actually just listened to a few podcasts, it looks like the main gain will be to get Marleau after his bonus is paid out. Which changes the complexion entirely. For a team with no cap problems at all, Marleau at 1.25M is great deal. So it may be more attractive than previously thought. I imagine the Leafs don;t care too much about the salary and its only the cap they're worried about. So it may just work out nicely.

As for Kapanen, etc this is the way I see it. If you can move Marleau's full cap as well as facilitate a Zaitsev trade with minimal cap coming back, what need is there for the Leafs to trade anyone else? They already have Gardiner leaving, now Marleau and Zaitsev, maybe throw in Brown for a pick and all of sudden the Leafs have cleared enough cap to sign Marner, Johnsson and Kapanen and keep the rest of the team intact. The idea of trading anyone of Marner, Kap or Johnsson only revolved around not having the cap to do so. They should after all those trades above have the cap space now.
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Jun. 3, 2019 at 9:45 p.m.
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Actually just listened to a few podcasts, it looks like the main gain will be to get Marleau after his bonus is paid out. Which changes the complexion entirely. For a team with no cap problems at all, Marleau at 1.25M is great deal. So it may be more attractive than previously thought. I imagine the Leafs don;t care too much about the salary and its only the cap they're worried about. So it may just work out nicely.

As for Kapanen, etc this is the way I see it. If you can move Marleau's full cap as well as facilitate a Zaitsev trade with minimal cap coming back, what need is there for the Leafs to trade anyone else? They already have Gardiner leaving, now Marleau and Zaitsev, maybe throw in Brown for a pick and all of sudden the Leafs have cleared enough cap to sign Marner, Johnsson and Kapanen and keep the rest of the team intact. The idea of trading anyone of Marner, Kap or Johnsson only revolved around not having the cap to do so. They should after all those trades above have the cap space now.


Yes, Marleau is only traded after his bonus is paid out. But those are two big "ifs". If the pressure gets turned up in the Marner negotiations, who says Dubas doesn't sacrifice Kap/Johnsson/Bracco/etc. to get Marleau off the books in order to sign Marner?
Jun. 3, 2019 at 10:02 p.m.
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Yes, Marleau is only traded after his bonus is paid out. But those are two big "ifs". If the pressure gets turned up in the Marner negotiations, who says Dubas doesn't sacrifice Kap/Johnsson/Bracco/etc. to get Marleau off the books in order to sign Marner?


What rush is there to sign Marner before July 1st? He can be signed all the way in August for all we care. Marleau is available as soon as that bonus is paid out. This gives plenty of time to make a deal.

Heck even if they still need to sacrifice something to get Marleau in another organization, it won't need to be Kap/Johnsson/Bracco. At 1.25M Marleau is still very palatable. This shouldn't be too big of an obstacle. As long as there is interest from Arizona/Lak or whomever. If there is no appetite from those teams, than the Leafs are in doodoo because If Carolina is the only team, Marleau may just decide to say "alright find another option then".

Also, in the off season, teams have a 10 or 15% cap inflator to help make trades and what not. That goes back to normal once the season starts. Dubas could sign Marner right now if he wanted to and it would be fine. He'd just have to ensure he cuts the cap necessary by the start of the season. Which wouldn't be too hard based on what we've heard about Marleau, Zaitsev, Kapanen, Johnsson, etc
Jun. 3, 2019 at 11:03 p.m.
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What rush is there to sign Marner before July 1st? He can be signed all the way in August for all we care. Marleau is available as soon as that bonus is paid out. This gives plenty of time to make a deal.

Heck even if they still need to sacrifice something to get Marleau in another organization, it won't need to be Kap/Johnsson/Bracco. At 1.25M Marleau is still very palatable. This shouldn't be too big of an obstacle. As long as there is interest from Arizona/Lak or whomever. If there is no appetite from those teams, than the Leafs are in doodoo because If Carolina is the only team, Marleau may just decide to say "alright find another option then".

Also, in the off season, teams have a 10 or 15% cap inflator to help make trades and what not. That goes back to normal once the season starts. Dubas could sign Marner right now if he wanted to and it would be fine. He'd just have to ensure he cuts the cap necessary by the start of the season. Which wouldn't be too hard based on what we've heard about Marleau, Zaitsev, Kapanen, Johnsson, etc


It's not the money that's the issue. TOR can't let another Nylander situation happen. Not only did it affect the teams play (Nylander not being there for the first 30 games and not being NHL ready when he returned), but it also makes the Leafs and their admin in particular look like they weren't willing to make a deal. If Marner's contract negotiations stretch into training camp that is a HUGE blemish against Dubas and the Leafs as a whole, hence the reason why they will want to get it done ASAP. If that means shedding Marleau and/or Zaitsev below market value with one of their young guys attached, then Dubas should pay that price to avoid the PR nightmare.
Jun. 4, 2019 at 12:10 p.m.
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It's not the money that's the issue. TOR can't let another Nylander situation happen. Not only did it affect the teams play (Nylander not being there for the first 30 games and not being NHL ready when he returned), but it also makes the Leafs and their admin in particular look like they weren't willing to make a deal. If Marner's contract negotiations stretch into training camp that is a HUGE blemish against Dubas and the Leafs as a whole, hence the reason why they will want to get it done ASAP. If that means shedding Marleau and/or Zaitsev below market value with one of their young guys attached, then Dubas should pay that price to avoid the PR nightmare.


Nylander wasn't signed until well into the season. Im talking about signing Marner as of July 2nd after Marleau's bonus is paid making him much more palatable for other teams. I don't think Marners camp is gonna take that as a slap in the face Lol. By all accounts most negotiations this big will go into at least July anyway. Rantanen isn't signed yet. Point isn't signed yet. There's a rush to not Marners negotiation last into August and beyond. There's no problem letting last till early July....
 
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