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Huge Toronto trade

Created by: TheDime99
Initial Creation Date: Jun 3, 2019
Published: Jun 4, 2019 at 8:53 am
Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel6$4,750,000
Lemieux, Brendan2$1,250,000
Deangelo, Anthony5$4,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Panarin, Artemi7$11,250,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Kakko, Kaapo3$925,000
Trades
NYR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
NYR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Strome, Ryan
NYR
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Shattenkirk, Kevin
NYR
  1. Bracco, Jeremy
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. Marleau, Patrick
  4. Sandin, Rasmus
  5. Zaitsev, Nikita
Additional Details:
Rangers can use Zaitsev on the bottom pair and try to regain some of his value and flip him at the deadline or the 2020 draft
TOR
  1. Kreider, Chris ($2,312,500 retained)
  2. Andersson, Lias
  3. Vesey, Jimmy
  4. Pionk, Neal [RFA Rights]
  5. 2019 2nd round pick (TBL)
  6. 2019 2nd round pick (DAL)
  7. 2019 1st round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
If Kreider doesn't resign Leafs recieve Rangers 2021 2nd round pick, but if Leafs resign Kreider Rangers recieve Leafs 2020 1st
Buyouts
  • Dan Girardi: $3,611,111
  • Brad Richards: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Chris Kreider: $2,312,500 (50%)
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: $750,000 (19%)
  • Ryan Spooner: $900,000 (23%)
Buried
  • Matt Beleskey: $825,000 ($1,900,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
NYR
NYR
CBJ
NYR
NYR
CBJ
2020
NYR
NYR
DAL
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NSH
VAN
2021
NYR
NYR
DAL
NYR
MIN
CHI
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,000,000$82,026,943$0$2,265,000$973,057

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
LW, C
RFA - 2
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$4,750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Panarin, Artemi
$11,250,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
Kakko, Kaapo
$925,000
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$842,500
RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
NYR
Nieves, Cristoval
$700,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Fast, Jesper
$1,850,000
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Skjei, Brady
$5,250,000
LD
UFA - 5
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$4,500,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYR
Lundqvist, Henrik
$8,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Smith, Brendan
$4,350,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 3
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 1
NYR
Rykov, Yegor
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYR
Staal, Marc
$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Gropp, Ryan
$802,500
LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Hájek, Libor
$833,333
LD
RFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Panarin, A.
Zibanejad, M.
Kakko, K.
Deangelo, A.
Buchnevich, P.
Power Play 2
Bracco, J.
Chytil, F.
Lemieux, B.
Fox, A.
Kravtsov, V.
Penalty Kill 1
Zibanejad, M.
Lemieux, B.
Skjei, B.
Fox, A.
Penalty Kill 2
Howden, B.
Fast, J.
Rykov, Y.
Smith, B.

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Jun 4, 2019 at 8:53
#1
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
Joined: Jul 2016
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We are not trading Sandin.
Jun 4, 2019 at 9:09
#2
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Joined: Jul 2015
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Not much value coming back to the Leafs for their top three prospects. Why do folks keep offloading Kreider to the Leafs? Strange to call a Zaitsev a bottom pair Dman on the Rangers when he at worse he was top 4 Dman with the good Leaf team.
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Jun 4, 2019 at 9:20
#3
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,349
Likes: 317
lol at least you got the rfa contracts right.

You're really discounting just how terrible the Zaitsev and Marleau contracts are.

What would be the cost of trading Staal and Smith together? (now realize that Staal and Smith are both better than Zaitsev and collectively cost 2mil cheaper...). How much do you think you could get for say Staal AND Smith AND K'andre Miller? or Staal and Smith and Nils Lundkvist....almost nothing?. You'd have to be crazy to take on that contract though...and that's why the trade is crazy.

But don't stop there: We know how much this stuff costs. Bickell and Teravainen got dealt for a 2nd and 3rd. Bickell had a 1 year deal too and was less of a cap % hit Marleau. It's the equivalent of putting up Kapanen + Marleau + (because Turbo was a year younger, and not already at RFA so much cheaper) ... Again...Bickell was 1 year and it took a ton to take him. not sure how you're evaluating this. Zaitsev has 4 left and at least on paper...equal if not worse than Marc Staal.

Please re-evaluate.
Jun 4, 2019 at 9:22
#4
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,349
Likes: 317
Quoting: palhal
Not much value coming back to the Leafs for their top three prospects. Why do folks keep offloading Kreider to the Leafs? Strange to call a Zaitsev a bottom pair Dman on the Rangers when he at worse he was top 4 Dman with the good Leaf team.


Dan Girardi was a top pair dman on a SCF Rangers team....this reflects the coach not the player...
Jun 4, 2019 at 9:46
#5
Thread Starter
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 301
Likes: 31
Quoting: Sagecoll
lol at least you got the rfa contracts right.

You're really discounting just how terrible the Zaitsev and Marleau contracts are.

What would be the cost of trading Staal and Smith together? (now realize that Staal and Smith are both better than Zaitsev and collectively cost 2mil cheaper...). How much do you think you could get for say Staal AND Smith AND K'andre Miller? or Staal and Smith and Nils Lundkvist....almost nothing?. You'd have to be crazy to take on that contract though...and that's why the trade is crazy.

But don't stop there: We know how much this stuff costs. Bickell and Teravainen got dealt for a 2nd and 3rd. Bickell had a 1 year deal too and was less of a cap % hit Marleau. It's the equivalent of putting up Kapanen + Marleau + (because Turbo was a year younger, and not already at RFA so much cheaper) ... Again...Bickell was 1 year and it took a ton to take him. not sure how you're evaluating this. Zaitsev has 4 left and at least on paper...equal if not worse than Marc Staal.

Please re-evaluate.


It's all about the situations the coach puts the player in. Zaitsev was turned into a PK player and forced to focus on a more defensive style game if the Rangers use him correctly they could get him some value back. Staal was good until his eye injury and Smith gained a lot of weight after he resigned with the Rangers, Zaitsev is a good player who has been misused since his second year in the league. Staal and Smith are bad hockey players but Zaitsev could be a decent 2nd pair defenseman
Jun 4, 2019 at 9:54
#6
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 563
Likes: 170
Quoting: palhal
Not much value coming back to the Leafs for their top three prospects. Why do folks keep offloading Kreider to the Leafs? Strange to call a Zaitsev a bottom pair Dman on the Rangers when he at worse he was top 4 Dman with the good Leaf team.


I have no idea why people keep sending Kreider to Toronto. If they are adding that much salary it's on defence, not at the wing. No chance Toronto makes that trade. Even if you think Marleau and Zaitsev are dumps (which I'm not convinced Zaitsev is no matter what some Leafs fans say) no way they are trading Sandy and Lily this year to move those deals.
Jun 4, 2019 at 10:10
#7
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,349
Likes: 317
Quoting: TheDime99
It's all about the situations the coach puts the player in. Zaitsev was turned into a PK player and forced to focus on a more defensive style game if the Rangers use him correctly they could get him some value back. Staal was good until his eye injury and Smith gained a lot of weight after he resigned with the Rangers, Zaitsev is a good player who has been misused since his second year in the league. Staal and Smith are bad hockey players but Zaitsev could be a decent 2nd pair defenseman


Ah yes, the "he's not bad, just misused" excuse that seems to be only applied 1 way. Let's just discount the worse zone start rating in year 1 than year 2 before we talk about "usage"...or the fact that Staal has a worse zone rating in 3 of the past 4 years than Zaitsev has had in any year of his career...


In terms of performance, Zaitsev is one of 6 players to be ranked in the bottom 25 amongst defensemen in ALL of these categories over the last 3 seasons:

Goal Differential
Expected Goal Differential
Shot Differential
Scoring Chance Differential

The Other 5 players are Jack Johnson, Kevin Bieksa, Dion Phaneuf, Jay Bouwmeester, Derek Engelland.

Bieksa is out of the league, Engelland is a free agent, Bouwmeester has 1 year left, Phaneuf has 2 yrs and 10 mil left, and Jack Johnson has 4 years and 13 mil left.

Zaitsev has 5 years and 22+ mil left....

It's perhaps amongst the 10 worst contracts in the league...closer to Seabrook/Parise bad than Jack Johnson bad....

But hey.... what's the big difference?

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Please do better next time...
Jun 4, 2019 at 10:53
#8
CanadianRangers
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 19
Likes: 2
It's a decent trade but I don't see why the Leafs, a team struggling with their defense, would trade two of their top defensive prospects along with Zaitsev. All they're doing is depleting an already bare defensive core and adding to an already stacked offense.
 
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