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Created by: Shakabakes
Team: 2019-20 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 6, 2019
Published: Jun. 6, 2019
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Are either of these suitable for Avs fans?
Trades
1.
NYR
  1. Bowers, Shane
  2. 2019 1st round pick (COL)
2.
NYR
  1. Greer, AJ [RFA Rights]
  2. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
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2019 1st Round Pick (Col)
COL
    Kreider
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    19$83,000,000$54,613,609$0$2,282,500$28,386,391
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    C
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    $894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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    $1,750,000$1,750,000
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    G
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    LD
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    LD/RD, LW
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    UFA - 2
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    $792,500$792,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
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    LD
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    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:02 p.m.
    #1
    Am Yisrael Chai
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    ill take either one.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.
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    without an extension in place, neither
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    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.
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    If that $4.6 cap hit lasted a few more years then I'd be down. A player like that can be gotten in free agency for free. We can get him next year, for exactly what he would've asked for anyways and still have our 16th pick + all those great prospects. If we miss out, we'll just have to develop that pick and those prospects we didn't lose for one year of Kreider.
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    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
    If that $4.6 cap hit lasted a few more years then I'd be down. A player like that can be gotten in free agency for free. We can get him next year, for exactly what he would've asked for anyways and still have our 16th pick + all those great prospects. If we miss out, we'll just have to develop that pick and those prospects we didn't lose for one year of Kreider.


    precisely. Having an extension in place makes sense for both sides for a trade to take place.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    without an extension in place, neither


    this is the correct take.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    precisely. Having an extension in place makes sense for both sides for a trade to take place.


    Fair enough, should specify that. What is a Kreider extension gonna run us? 6x6?
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:28 p.m.
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    this is the correct take.


    and with an extension I still dont think I do the 1st and Bowers. Kam 1st and Greer still seems too high, I would downgrade the Greer or its a 2nd instead of a 1st.
    For an extended Turris to NSH at the time (and remember how good he was in Ott) it was Kam, a 2nd, and Girard.
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    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
    If that $4.6 cap hit lasted a few more years then I'd be down. A player like that can be gotten in free agency for free. We can get him next year, for exactly what he would've asked for anyways and still have our 16th pick + all those great prospects. If we miss out, we'll just have to develop that pick and those prospects we didn't lose for one year of Kreider.


    An extension always makes trades easier, obviously. I am always hesitant to add an extension since I think that some players wouldn't want to forego the UFA process. Some players may want to have more control over where they go, and not just be forced to sign an extension to facilitate a trade.

    But Colorado is definitely on the rise, so it would definitely be a good place to go.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:33 p.m.
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    and with an extension I still dont think I do the 1st and Bowers. Kam 1st and Greer still seems too high, I would downgrade the Greer or its a 2nd instead of a 1st.
    For an extended Turris to NSH at the time (and remember how good he was in Ott) it was Kam, a 2nd, and Girard.


    I posted another Colorado trade yesterday. Revolved around Jost (shot down) or Kamenev (more widely accepted).

    I didn't think Bowers would be on the table, but some others insisted he could be an option. Hence, why I tried this out.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Shakabakes
    I posted another Colorado trade yesterday. Revolved around Jost (shot down) or Kamenev (more widely accepted).

    I didn't think Bowers would be on the table, but some others insisted he could be an option. Hence, why I tried this out.


    and it wouldn't be the 2019 pick, 2020 and Kam I believe is what really makes this thing start to get off the ground. No one is moving the 16th overall pick and a good young player or prospect right now for Kreider
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    and it wouldn't be the 2019 pick, 2020 and Kam I believe is what really makes this thing start to get off the ground. No one is moving the 16th overall pick and a good young player or prospect right now for Kreider


    If it's the 1 year deal, perhaps. If Kreider is getting signed to that extension, it's the 2019.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 5:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: Shakabakes
    If it's the 1 year deal, perhaps. If Kreider is getting signed to that extension, it's the 2019.


    You arent getting the 16th overall for Kreider, even extended. Its to high of a pick. Avs would just say thanks but no thanks, see you at the deadline as a rental then if they want Kreider.

    Then what are teams going to give a Top 10 pick for an extended Barrie? He holds more value than Kreider as a top point producing mobile RHS Dman in this league. No one is doing that,
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 6:53 p.m.
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    You arent getting the 16th overall for Kreider, even extended. Its to high of a pick. Avs would just say thanks but no thanks, see you at the deadline as a rental then if they want Kreider.

    Then what are teams going to give a Top 10 pick for an extended Barrie? He holds more value than Kreider as a top point producing mobile RHS Dman in this league. No one is doing that,


    That's a matter of need, also. Just because Barrie has more value than Kreider (which I agree) doesn't mean there is a team with a Pick less than 16OA where he fits. If the team you find has a higher Pick, then that's what you go with.

    Based on what you guys accomplished this Season, and what Kreider would bring to your Roster, there is a great fit. And while 16OA holds value, it's still a drop off from the Top 10.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 7:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
    Fair enough, should specify that. What is a Kreider extension gonna run us? 6x6?


    that's the ballpark. yeah. could do a year or 2 less for a mil or 2 more.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 7:40 p.m.
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    and with an extension I still dont think I do the 1st and Bowers. Kam 1st and Greer still seems too high, I would downgrade the Greer or its a 2nd instead of a 1st.
    For an extended Turris to NSH at the time (and remember how good he was in Ott) it was Kam, a 2nd, and Girard.


    yeah that's kinda the point. Kreider is significantly better. Kreider is at 2.08 pts/60 in the 3 years before the deal...Turris is at 1.69. And the on ice metrics look even better for Kreider. We're talking about a top 15 LW here...The cost is high but it's appropriate.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 8:07 p.m.
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    yeah that's kinda the point. Kreider is significantly better. Kreider is at 2.08 pts/60 in the 3 years before the deal...Turris is at 1.69. And the on ice metrics look even better for Kreider. We're talking about a top 15 LW here...The cost is high but it's appropriate.


    Centre, 2 way ability, you can look at p60 all you want, I dont think you re painting the full picture here. Even as simple as Centres always cost more than pure wingers in trades, thats just how it works in this league.

    Still a tad touch to high, but it was in a bidding war then you just have to pay up as well
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 8:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    Centre, 2 way ability, you can look at p60 all you want, I dont think you re painting the full picture here. Even as simple as Centres always cost more than pure wingers in trades, thats just how it works in this league.

    Still a tad touch to high, but it was in a bidding war then you just have to pay up as well



    I like that you mention 2 way ability.

    In the entire NHL, only 14 skaters had both an xGFPM and xGAPM impact of 2 or more goals.

    In a league of over 800 skaters.

    That is less than 2% of players.

    Stone, Theodore, Crosby, Toffoli, Tatar, Dillon, Martinook, Williams, Ekholm, Couturier, Wallmark, Pesce, ROR, Kreider

    That is it. Those are your elite "2 way" players.
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 8:50 p.m.
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    I like that you mention 2 way ability.

    In the entire NHL, only 14 skaters had both an xGFPM and xGAPM impact of 2 or more goals.

    In a league of over 800 skaters.

    That is less than 2% of players.

    Stone, Theodore, Crosby, Toffoli, Tatar, Dillon, Martinook, Williams, Ekholm, Couturier, Wallmark, Pesce, ROR, Kreider

    That is it. Those are your elite "2 way" players.


    At the time that he was traded as a Sen, he was highly touted warranted or not as a 2 way 1B Centre. That was his perception league wide

    It’s easy to scoff at the value now but when it comes to Cs they always cost more that wingers,
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 8:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    At the time that he was traded as a Sen, he was highly touted warranted or not as a 2 way 1B Centre. That was his perception league wide

    It’s easy to scoff at the value now but when it comes to Cs they always cost more that wingers,


    sure I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I just don't know how that relates to Kreider. The person I compare him to trade wise usually is Pacioretty...I can go through an abundance of evidence on why Kreider is the superior player but I'm guessing you're just going to take me at my word. With that in mind, would you not say that the Pacioretty package is comparable to the Turris package? Which one would you take?
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 8:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    sure I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I just don't know how that relates to Kreider. The person I compare him to trade wise usually is Pacioretty...I can go through an abundance of evidence on why Kreider is the superior player but I'm guessing you're just going to take me at my word. With that in mind, would you not say that the Pacioretty package is comparable to the Turris package? Which one would you take?


    The turris one bc I love girard, he’s a stud haha
    Jun. 6, 2019 at 9:00 p.m.
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    The turris one bc I love girard, he’s a stud haha


    haha ok cool.
     
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