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Constructive thoughts help come up with this 3way deal

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 7, 2019
Published: Jun. 7, 2019
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TOR / CAR / EDM 3 way deal

Toronto receives: Adam Larsson + TVR + Benning + Wellmark

Carolina Receives: RNH + Zaitsev + Puljujarvi + G. Sparks

Edmonton receives: N. Kadri + J. Faulk + C. Brown + A. Saarela

The RHD still needs work; but we also keep all the shiny toys
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
1$700,000
1$700,000
3$4,227,500
8$10,616,166
2$725,000
4$4,227,500
1$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
1$875,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2020 5th round pick (ARI)
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ARI
  1. Marleau, Patrick
  2. Timashov, Dmytro
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
2.
3.
4.
TOR
  1. Honka, Julius [RFA Rights]
DAL
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2019
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2020
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Logo of the ARI
Logo of the TOR
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Logo of the EDM
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Logo of the WPG
2021
Logo of the TOR
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$82,590,031$0$82,500$409,969
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,616,166$10,616,166
RW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,227,500$4,227,500
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,227,500$4,227,500
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$2,300,000$2,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,900,000$1,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 2
$950,000$950,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:34 p.m.
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Big over payment for kapanen, johnsson and marner. I dont know about the trade but there isnt really a need for all 3 RD. dermott is ready for top 4 minutes and rosen is ready so they wouldn't need one of TVR or Benning.
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Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:38 p.m.
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Edmonton is so thin on RHD. No way they move their only 2 Guys.
Also TVR is actually good. Zaitsev is a cap dump. Canes don’t make that trade.
Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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Toronto gives up: Kadri, Zaitsev, Sparks, Brown
Carolina gives up: TVR, Saarela, Faulk, Wallmark
Edmonton gives up: RNH, Larsson, Benning, Puljujarvi,

In order of teams value being moved, Carolina and Edmonton give up more than Toronto.
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Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Jack_
Big over payment for kapanen, johnsson and marner. I dont know about the trade but there isnt really a need for all 3 RD. dermott is ready for top 4 minutes and rosen is ready so they wouldn't need one of TVR or Benning.


thinking on the signings was:
a) to stave of the offer sheets the leafs will need to sign KK/AJ to 4.227M+ contracts (would be 1st/3rd; rather than a 2nd)
b) to stave off any Marner offer sheet he will need $10.568M+ (4-1sts; rather then 2-1's/2/3)
**I would like them to be closer to $3m each but the above was the thought process
**with the Dermott injury, the extra D are there to insulate
Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:46 p.m.
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Edmonton is so thin on RHD. No way they move their only 2 Guys.
Also TVR is actually good. Zaitsev is a cap dump. Canes don’t make that trade.


Faulk does give them a puck mover, perhaps a prospect on DEF will also need to included (Ransanen/Kral/Greenway?)
with Hamilton/Pesce TVR is a wasted asset on a 3rd pair, but Zaitsev who can play 15-18 minutes and PK (to elieviate the demads on slavin/Pesce) would be an upgrade IMO on TVR
+ Carolina is getting a playmaking #2C and a young F and young G
Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:53 p.m.
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thinking on the signings was:
a) to stave of the offer sheets the leafs will need to sign KK/AJ to 4.227M+ contracts (would be 1st/3rd; rather than a 2nd)
b) to stave off any Marner offer sheet he will need $10.568M+ (4-1sts; rather then 2-1's/2/3)
**I would like them to be closer to $3m each but the above was the thought process
**with the Dermott injury, the extra D are there to insulate


I dont think they will be offersheeted. They are rarely used and no one should spend that much on complementary wingers. They are nice to have but can be replaced and they could use the cap space to find a good 3c.
Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:54 p.m.
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Toronto gives up: Kadri, Zaitsev, Sparks, Brown
Carolina gives up: TVR, Saarela, Faulk, Wallmark
Edmonton gives up: RNH, Larsson, Benning, Puljujarvi,

In order of teams value being moved, Carolina and Edmonton give up more than Toronto.


IMO:
Kadri slightly > RNH (they are different but $ and all around better game) > 1 year of Faulk (and then whats his $$?)
Larsson> Zaitsev > TVR
Wallmark = / > Brown > Benning
Puljujarvi (highest upside) > Saarela > Sparks

so if the above was given grades of 3 > 2 > 1 the total would be
Toronto gives up 8 and gets 8
Carolina gives up 7 and gets 8
EDM gives up 9 and gets 7........... so perhaps EDM needs a pick/prospect from TOR/CAR
Jun. 7, 2019 at 2:55 p.m.
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I dont think they will be offersheeted. They are rarely used and no one should spend that much on complementary wingers. They are nice to have but can be replaced and they could use the cap space to find a good 3c.


i know im a homer, but Kappy and AJ will be great 2-way 2nd line wingers, both with 25 goal potential, and can play in their own end and PK; i'd hate to lose them over $750K for a 2nd round pick that may never materialize
+ I loved Wallmarks game
Jun. 7, 2019 at 3:02 p.m.
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i know im a homer, but Kappy and AJ will be great 2-way 2nd line wingers, both with 25 goal potential, and can play in their own end and PK; i'd hate to lose them over $750K for a 2nd round pick that may never materialize
+ I loved Wallmarks game


I dont know much about Wallmark and I love having johnsson and kapanen in the lineup but not at such a high price. The name of the game is to pay your stars like AM, MM, JT and WN and fill in the lineup with cheaper players like moore, Ennis and petan. I just think there are players out there who can do the same or almost the same thing for a fraction of the price
Jun. 7, 2019 at 4:10 p.m.
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IMO:
Kadri slightly > RNH (they are different but $ and all around better game) > 1 year of Faulk (and then whats his $$?)
Larsson> Zaitsev > TVR
Wallmark = / > Brown > Benning
Puljujarvi (highest upside) > Saarela > Sparks

so if the above was given grades of 3 > 2 > 1 the total would be
Toronto gives up 8 and gets 8
Carolina gives up 7 and gets 8
EDM gives up 9 and gets 7........... so perhaps EDM needs a pick/prospect from TOR/CAR


Zaitsev is a cap dump. He may have the same ability as TVR, or may even be slightly better, but the $21 mil that's still owed vs. the $2.3 plus whatever TVR might make as an extension (Say 2 x $4?) is a big red flag.

Let's do it and use the draft comp. that each player would probably get in a straight up trade. In terms of total value, let's say each pick is worth: 1st (5 pts), 2nd (3pts), 3rd (1pt)
Toronto: 1st+3rd(Kadri)+3rd (Brown)+Zaitsev (-2nd rounder)+Sparks (No value)=4pts
Edmonton: 1st+3rd (RNH)+Larson (1st+3rd)+Benning (Might be a 3rd, but let's say no value)+Puljujarvi (2nd)=13 pts
Carolina: 1st (Faulk)+TVR (2nd)+Saarela (3rd)+Wallmark (2nd)=11pts
Jun. 7, 2019 at 4:15 p.m.
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Zaitsev is a cap dump. He may have the same ability as TVR, or may even be slightly better, but the $21 mil that's still owed vs. the $2.3 plus whatever TVR might make as an extension (Say 2 x $4?) is a big red flag.

Let's do it and use the draft comp. that each player would probably get in a straight up trade. In terms of total value, let's say each pick is worth: 1st (5 pts), 2nd (3pts), 3rd (1pt)
Toronto: 1st+3rd(Kadri)+3rd (Brown)+Zaitsev (-2nd rounder)+Sparks (No value)=4pts
Edmonton: 1st+3rd (RNH)+Larson (1st+3rd)+Benning (Might be a 3rd, but let's say no value)+Puljujarvi (2nd)=13 pts
Carolina: 1st (Faulk)+TVR (2nd)+Saarela (3rd)+Wallmark (2nd)=11pts


it would appear that we value the players differently so our systems to gauge who wins is flawed.

the over all point i suppose is that these 3 teams could totally swing a deal like this mainly using the players mentioned above
Jun. 7, 2019 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: jluqueSF
it would appear that we value the players differently so our systems to gauge who wins is flawed.

the over all point i suppose is that these 3 teams could totally swing a deal like this mainly using the players mentioned above


For sure, I guess my point is, it's pretty clear that to get rid of Zaitsev, you'll need to give up something else, which you haven't. He's the only cap dump in the entire deal. Kadri is really the only person the Leafs are giving up that has a good deal of value, whereas Edmonton gives up Larssoni+RNH+A good prospect in Puljujarvi (he's still cheap and is only 21), and Carolina gives up Faulk+TVR+two decent enough prospects.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: jluqueSF
thinking on the signings was:
a) to stave of the offer sheets the leafs will need to sign KK/AJ to 4.227M+ contracts (would be 1st/3rd; rather than a 2nd)
b) to stave off any Marner offer sheet he will need $10.568M+ (4-1sts; rather then 2-1's/2/3)
**I would like them to be closer to $3m each but the above was the thought process
**with the Dermott injury, the extra D are there to insulate


So just match Johnsson and Kappy. Likely more team friendly than your signing...
 
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