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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 9, 2019
Published: Jun. 9, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,350,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$8,890,000
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. Shaw, Andrew
  2. 2019 5th round pick (EDM)
2.
MTL
  1. 2019 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Armia, Joel [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
Buried
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$83,000,000$71,878,253$0$2,925,000$11,121,747

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$8,890,000$8,890,000
RW, C
UFA - 7
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 3
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
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$748,333$748,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:20 p.m.
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Easy now from isles. If leddy gets moved it will require a top 6 winger and not Shaw as the main piece.
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Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Easy now from isles. If leddy gets moved it will require a top 6 winger and not Shaw as the main piece.


Shaw is Top 6 players
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Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Easy now from isles. If leddy gets moved it will require a top 6 winger and not Shaw as the main piece.


shaw is a top 6 player bud. just check out his numbers this past season and his underlying stats
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:25 p.m.
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Shaw is a bottom 6 player who had a good year. It’s not an insult to him, but he is a bottom 6 player.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:26 p.m.
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Shaw is a bottom 6 player who had a good year. It’s not an insult to him, but he is a bottom 6 player.


def not a bottom 6. he's 27, signed through is prime. he might be a low end top 6, but pretty sure lou would love a guy like him and so would trotz
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Tiekv
Shaw is Top 6 players


Not ideally. Hes a helluva 3rd line player. But he really shouldn't be a top 6.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:31 p.m.
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Shaw would be the 3c on the isles. Leddy played 2nd most minutes on D for the isles last year, pretty sure trotz wants his #2 d man over a 3c. And leddy is also signed through his prime and only 1 year older so that does not add any value.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Shaw would be the 3c on the isles. Leddy played 2nd most minutes on D for the isles last year, pretty sure trotz wants his #2 d man over a 3c. And leddy is also signed through his prime and only 1 year older so that does not add any value.


shaw is better suited to play wing. and only reason im trading for leddy is because ive read that trotz dont like him.
shaw also has far superior underlying numbers then leddy
https://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/pcomp_finder.cgi?request=1&match=0&player1_hint=Andrew+Shaw&player1_select=Andrew+Shaw&p1yr=2019&player1=shawan01&idx=players&player2_hint=Nick+Leddy&player2_select=Nick+Leddy&p2yr=2019&player2=leddyni01&idx=players
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
shaw is better suited to play wing. and only reason im trading for leddy is because ive read that trotz dont like him.
shaw also has far superior underlying numbers then leddy
https://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/pcomp_finder.cgi?request=1&match=0&player1_hint=Andrew+Shaw&player1_select=Andrew+Shaw&p1yr=2019&player1=shawan01&idx=players&player2_hint=Nick+Leddy&player2_select=Nick+Leddy&p2yr=2019&player2=leddyni01&idx=players



Shaw is a top 6 player is the bias-est thing Habs fans can possibly say. I'm a Habs fan. I watched every game and looked at the underlying numbers. your not fooling anyone but yourselves.

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Shaw is a bottom 6 player who had a good year. It’s not an insult to him, but he is a bottom 6 player.


Im not sure if you are a Habs fan or not but bravo for the seeing the reality of the situation.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.
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Shaw is a top 6 player is the bias-est thing Habs fans can possibly say. I'm a Habs fan. I watched every game and looked at the underlying numbers. your not fooling anyone but yourselves.



Im not sure if you are a Habs fan or not but bravo for the seeing the reality of the situation.


his numbers say other wise. in fact you can even compare them with other top 6 players in the league. please have a look
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.
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Leddy being moved has nothing to do with trotz liking him or not. Isles have a group of young d men ready to come up and Leddy would have the most value in a trade among the d men they would move. Shaw has 1 20 goal season, he is not the player they are looking for.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 7:53 p.m.
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Leddy being moved has nothing to do with trotz liking him or not. Isles have a group of young d men ready to come up and Leddy would have the most value in a trade among the d men they would move. Shaw has 1 20 goal season, he is not the player they are looking for.


well i can agree to disagree
Jun. 9, 2019 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
his numbers say other wise. in fact you can even compare them with other top 6 players in the league. please have a look


Please look at this perfectly explained:

Quoting: Warrior24
Shaw is a bottom 6 player who had a good year. It’s not an insult to him, but he is a bottom 6 player.


He had a great season as a top 6 player but this is one season in which he overachieved.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 9:27 p.m.
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Please look at this perfectly explained:



He had a great season as a top 6 player but this is one season in which he overachieved.


i guess thats a fair assumption. but isnt the trade equal in value though?
Jun. 9, 2019 at 10:03 p.m.
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i guess thats a fair assumption. but isnt the trade equal in value though?


That would depend on how you value positions and true "statuses". Leddy is a top 4 dman true and true. No questions that. Even if Shaw was a top 6 fw. Whats more valuable? Top 4 dman or a top 6 winger? I think free agency and previous NHL trade history answers that very easily.
Jun. 9, 2019 at 10:16 p.m.
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That would depend on how you value positions and true "statuses". Leddy is a top 4 dman true and true. No questions that. Even if Shaw was a top 6 fw. Whats more valuable? Top 4 dman or a top 6 winger? I think free agency and previous NHL trade history answers that very easily.


okay, so what do the habs add?
Jun. 10, 2019 at 8:12 a.m.
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okay, so what do the habs add?


You cant simply add things to anyone and expect the other team to be just ok with it. Can you imagine LAK trying to pursuade us to take Phaneuf? Umm no thanks........ Ok so what do we add?. Ummm Kopitar, how about that? Lol
Jun. 10, 2019 at 10:09 a.m.
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You cant simply add things to anyone and expect the other team to be just ok with it. Can you imagine LAK trying to pursuade us to take Phaneuf? Umm no thanks........ Ok so what do we add?. Ummm Kopitar, how about that? Lol


so what should the trade then
Jun. 10, 2019 at 12:02 p.m.
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so what should the trade then


The only piece that makes sense for what Isles needs are while giving them something we have depth in is wingers. Drouin, Tatar, Gallagher, Domi (since he was winger before coming to MTL). Now obviously two of those 4 guys are not even available. You know which ones they are. Drouin IMO is too young to move in a trade like this. we'd need a dman like Leddy but at the age of 23-25 coming back instead, so Drouin is off the table. That leaves us with one choice that makes everyone happy and is realistic. Tatar.

They're similar age. Similar cap. Similar in status. Its the piece that makes the most sense for isles. if you don't like it, that's fine but that's what they'd be asking for and what makes sense for both teams in terms of value.
Jun. 10, 2019 at 12:31 p.m.
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The only piece that makes sense for what Isles needs are while giving them something we have depth in is wingers. Drouin, Tatar, Gallagher, Domi (since he was winger before coming to MTL). Now obviously two of those 4 guys are not even available. You know which ones they are. Drouin IMO is too young to move in a trade like this. we'd need a dman like Leddy but at the age of 23-25 coming back instead, so Drouin is off the table. That leaves us with one choice that makes everyone happy and is realistic. Tatar.

They're similar age. Similar cap. Similar in status. Its the piece that makes the most sense for isles. if you don't like it, that's fine but that's what they'd be asking for and what makes sense for both teams in terms of value.


tatar makes sense.
Jun. 10, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
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tatar makes sense.


Obviously did not include Shaw. Despite a solid season, you'd be hard pressed to find people in other teams who think he is a top 6 and perception is everything.
 
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