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Philly Rumour

Created by: habs12345
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2019
Published: Jun. 11, 2019
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Per The Fourth Period, apparently Habs and Flyers in talks regarding Gostisbehere, Shaw and Byron. Value might be a bit off, but Shaw is coming off a career year, and Byron is not only a speed demon who can finish, but a heart and soul guy. With Therrien hired by the Flyers, he might have some solid input on these guys.
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3$2,250,000
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7$9,000,000
6$10,250,000
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2.
MTL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (DET)
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MTL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (NYI)
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  1. Armia, Joel [RFA Rights]
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MTL
  1. 2019 6th round pick (ANA)
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Any team for a pick.
5.
MTL
  1. 2019 7th round pick (OTT)
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To help them meet cap floor
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2019
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24$83,000,000$81,562,975$0$4,057,500$1,437,025
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
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UFA - 2
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
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$780,833$780,833 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
LW
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
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$748,333$748,333
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
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$750,000$750,000
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$925,000$925,000
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$950,000$950,000
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 12:13 p.m.
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Too hard to let Byron go. I would try everything before that.
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 12:22 p.m.
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Here is the Philly rumor, oh by the way...I also signed EK and Duchene.
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 12:24 p.m.
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Andrew Shaw is not intriguing to me as a Flyers fan. He scored 20 goals once - 5 years ago, and has *never* played 82 games in a season. While he had a career-high 47 points this season, I would rather not buy-high on him in the same deal that we are selling-low on ghost.
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 12:49 p.m.
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Byron does not only have ties to Therrien. He is also a good friend of Giroux (they played together in the minors )
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
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I did see this report earlier, as a Flyer fans I would vomit if this was the return for Ghost
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 1:10 p.m.
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I would not even consider that if i was Philly. But i’m not Philly and Chucky makes some questionable moves so...

Habs ACGMs want trade value for Shaw as the 20 goal 50pt type of player he was last year. Problem is in real world, GMs will look at that as an outlier and put a trade value on him as the 12 goal 30pt guy he has been throughout his career. Nobody is going to trade for him with the idea if him being the answer to a top 6 problem. ??‍♂️

Simply put. I would not trade Ghost for Shaw and Byron when i know i can get something for more interesting than complimentary players. And i am certainly not trading Ratcliffe for Evans and a 2nd.

If i trade Ghost and a high end prospect and don’t get a premium player or a good 1st...it’s a big failure. You want him you are going to have pony up Romanov or Suzuki or your 1st in some sort of deal....and you can forget Ratcliffe.
Jun. 11, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
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Agreeing with other Flyers fans on here. Do not like the total value coming back. Trading Ghost who you are going to slot in on a friendly deal on your first pair, not happy getting back Byron who is 30 and a career high of 43 points, and Shaw who is a pretty healthy cap hit for a "character guy" who is also not going to put up more than 30-40 points. 3.9 and 3.4 is 7.3 mil in cap between them, Ghost is only 4.5, so MTL is saving $2.8 mil in the deal. The prospect coming back, former 7th round pick who is 23 and hasn't played a game in the NHL yet, no thanks, we've got enough prospects. We need a 3rd line RW but I'd rather promote our own talent rather than swap Ghost and Ratcliffe for 3rd line guys. Only way I see this happening is at the Draft and we get back your 1st rounder at 15th overall to take a guy that our scouts are super high on that falls, maybe a Krebs because of his injury. Even then, no thank you
Jun. 11, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
I would not even consider that if i was Philly. But i’m not Philly and Chucky makes some questionable moves so...

Habs ACGMs want trade value for Shaw as the 20 goal 50pt type of player he was last year. Problem is in real world, GMs will look at that as an outlier and put a trade value on him as the 12 goal 30pt guy he has been throughout his career. Nobody is going to trade for him with the idea if him being the answer to a top 6 problem. ??‍♂️

Simply put. I would not trade Ghost for Shaw and Byron when i know i can get something for more interesting than complimentary players. And i am certainly not trading Ratcliffe for Evans and a 2nd.

If i trade Ghost and a high end prospect and don’t get a premium player or a good 1st...it’s a big failure. You want him you are going to have pony up Romanov or Suzuki or your 1st in some sort of deal....and you can forget Ratcliffe.


Ghost and Ratcliffe should get you a Trouba or Spurgeon if you wanted an upgrade on D. Swapping our best offensive defenseman for 3rd liners, not a good way to fill out the roster....fix smaller holes by creating larger ones.
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Jun. 11, 2019 at 1:44 p.m.
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I would not even consider that if i was Philly. But i’m not Philly and Chucky makes some questionable moves so...

Habs ACGMs want trade value for Shaw as the 20 goal 50pt type of player he was last year. Problem is in real world, GMs will look at that as an outlier and put a trade value on him as the 12 goal 30pt guy he has been throughout his career. Nobody is going to trade for him with the idea if him being the answer to a top 6 problem. ??‍♂️

Simply put. I would not trade Ghost for Shaw and Byron when i know i can get something for more interesting than complimentary players. And i am certainly not trading Ratcliffe for Evans and a 2nd.

If i trade Ghost and a high end prospect and don’t get a premium player or a good 1st...it’s a big failure. You want him you are going to have pony up Romanov or Suzuki or your 1st in some sort of deal....and you can forget Ratcliffe.


You know what the real problem is? These trades that we all pretty much agree on as not a possibility, actually happen once in a while and as a result you can't exclude the possibility of anything happening anymore.

If hockey trading was mathematical and always done by a specific standard, Ghost (top 4 dman) would be traded for a top 6 winger (if that was what Philly was looking for example). Except we see trades like Weber for Subban and Ryan O'Reilly for chump change that throw everything out of whack.

Should the above trade happen? IMO not from a Philly POV but could it happen? Absolutely.
Jun. 11, 2019 at 1:46 p.m.
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Agreeing with other Flyers fans on here. Do not like the total value coming back. Trading Ghost who you are going to slot in on a friendly deal on your first pair, not happy getting back Byron who is 30 and a career high of 43 points, and Shaw who is a pretty healthy cap hit for a "character guy" who is also not going to put up more than 30-40 points. 3.9 and 3.4 is 7.3 mil in cap between them, Ghost is only 4.5, so MTL is saving $2.8 mil in the deal. The prospect coming back, former 7th round pick who is 23 and hasn't played a game in the NHL yet, no thanks, we've got enough prospects. We need a 3rd line RW but I'd rather promote our own talent rather than swap Ghost and Ratcliffe for 3rd line guys. Only way I see this happening is at the Draft and we get back your 1st rounder at 15th overall to take a guy that our scouts are super high on that falls, maybe a Krebs because of his injury. Even then, no thank you


Andrew Shaw is the hell of a player .I understand tho that to included Ratcliff make no sense at all for the Flyers . He is such a pride player that he litterally force other to join along . I would see him spar plug a team like Edm and thrive . We really want Ghost cause he would be ideal with Weber , price is to discuss i think Flyers have enough good defenceman and that without ideal pairing maybe Ghost is not enough reliable on defense for Flyers . Shaw + something good seem like fair to me but i value Shaw a lot .
Jun. 11, 2019 at 1:59 p.m.
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As a Flyers fan, I can tell you we need to upgrade our Defense this offseason. So unless Trouba or Spurgeon are already acquired, dealing Ghost for Shaw makes no sense. I don't want Robert Hagg or Macdonald touching the ice this season. Fletcher has talked about adding a top-4 defenseman as an offseason goal, so trading one for a guy who would slot in on our 3rd line RW just doesn't make sense. That's like me saying we'll give you Hagg for Petry because we want a RHD back. They're not in the same league as far as I'm concerned. I get that Shaw is a character guy who chips in offensively, but why trade a defenseman who has scored 65 points for that? Selling WAY low on Ghost if they move him for Shaw. I'd take Ghost and a 2019 3rd for Shaw and 15th overall and say maybe the value is fair, but I'm still not seeing how that would help this team on the ice next season. Unless other issues on D are addressed elsewhere. I don't think signing Karlsson happens, so how are we upgrading our D while trading away a Dman, and one of our best trade pieces if he's going to be moved. Just think selling low on Ghost this season is going to look like the Brent Burns deal all over again
Jun. 11, 2019 at 6:08 p.m.
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As a Flyers fan, I can tell you we need to upgrade our Defense this offseason. So unless Trouba or Spurgeon are already acquired, dealing Ghost for Shaw makes no sense. I don't want Robert Hagg or Macdonald touching the ice this season. Fletcher has talked about adding a top-4 defenseman as an offseason goal, so trading one for a guy who would slot in on our 3rd line RW just doesn't make sense. That's like me saying we'll give you Hagg for Petry because we want a RHD back. They're not in the same league as far as I'm concerned. I get that Shaw is a character guy who chips in offensively, but why trade a defenseman who has scored 65 points for that? Selling WAY low on Ghost if they move him for Shaw. I'd take Ghost and a 2019 3rd for Shaw and 15th overall and say maybe the value is fair, but I'm still not seeing how that would help this team on the ice next season. Unless other issues on D are addressed elsewhere. I don't think signing Karlsson happens, so how are we upgrading our D while trading away a Dman, and one of our best trade pieces if he's going to be moved. Just think selling low on Ghost this season is going to look like the Brent Burns deal all over again


Last season Shaw it’s 25 goals 60+ points on 82 games. Just sayin
Jun. 11, 2019 at 11:53 p.m.
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You know what the real problem is? These trades that we all pretty much agree on as not a possibility, actually happen once in a while and as a result you can't exclude the possibility of anything happening anymore.

If hockey trading was mathematical and always done by a specific standard, Ghost (top 4 dman) would be traded for a top 6 winger (if that was what Philly was looking for example). Except we see trades like Weber for Subban and Ryan O'Reilly for chump change that throw everything out of whack.

Should the above trade happen? IMO not from a Philly POV but could it happen? Absolutely.


Maybe you missed the part where i said “if I was Philly”. Did not say Philly would not consider it, said I would not if I was them ??‍♂️
Jun. 11, 2019 at 11:58 p.m.
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Last season Shaw it’s 25 goals 60+ points on 82 games. Just sayin



And every season before that he was a 12g 30pt guy. Just reality. Was last year an outlier or the beginning of a late bloomer? As an opposing GM i am not giving you 25g 60pt value for him. Sorry. Need to see another year of it before I would. I like him. I think any team would be lucky to have him. I just would not pay last years price for him.
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Jun. 12, 2019 at 12:12 a.m.
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Maybe you missed the part where i said “if I was Philly”. Did not say Philly would not consider it, said I would not if I was them ??‍♂️


Yeah I guess the tone of my comment wasn't very clear. This was more a commentary about how these one off trades that probably shouldn't happen give hope to people despite being unanimously agreed upon as not plausible. Not really directed at you or your comment but more in addition to yours. wink
Jun. 12, 2019 at 6:32 a.m.
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Yeah I guess the tone of my comment wasn't very clear. This was more a commentary about how these one off trades that probably shouldn't happen give hope to people despite being unanimously agreed upon as not plausible. Not really directed at you or your comment but more in addition to yours. wink


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