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Ghost value seems lower than I expect

Created by: yanp007
Initial Creation Date: Jun 11, 2019
Published: Jun 11 at 1:39 pm
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
Ghost vs Shaw, Kulak and 3rd pick
1st and MacDonald vs Petry and 2nd
MacDonald is a cap dump
2nd pick + 3rd pick = Lehkonen
11th OA pick = Peyton Krebs
15th OA pick = Cam York
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Armia, Joel2$2,750,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. MacDonald, Andrew
  3. 2019 1st round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Shaw, Andrew
  2. Petry, Jeff
  3. Kulak, Brett
  4. Lehkonen, Artturi [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
  • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
MTL
PHI
MTL
CBJ
MTL
MTL
ARI
CHI
EDM
MTL
WPG
2020
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
WPG
MTL
MTL
MTL
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$71,802,142$0$4,132,500$11,197,858
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 3
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 4
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
MTL
Thompson, Nate
$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
MTL
Peca, Matthew
$1,300,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Deslauriers, Nicolas
$950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PHI
Gostisbehere, Shayne
$4,500,000
LD
UFA - 4
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
PHI
MacDonald, Andrew
$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
$750,000
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
$748,333
LD
RFA - 1
MTL
Brook, Josh
$795,000
RD
RFA - 3
MTL
Folin, Christian
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun 11 at 1:47
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"Ghost value seems lower than I expect".

Based on what? Other Habs fans AGM's? rolling eyes

I should rephrase: Philly fans think Shaw and Byron are way worse than they actually are. Some Habs fans have them way higher than they should be however.

I don't know how you went from what people are speculating Byron+Shaw+ for Ghost. But Shaw Kulak and a 3rd is worse IMO. Shaw and Byron + a pick is way better value.
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Jun 11 at 1:50
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Quoting: F50marco
"Ghost value seems lower than I expect".

Based on what? Other Habs fans AGM's? rolling eyes



Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
Have heard the #flyers and #Habs have had discussions on Shayne Gostisbehere. While no deal is imminent, told Andrew Shaw is a player the Flyers have interest in

09:48 - 11 juin 2019
Jun 11 at 1:52
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Quoting: yanp007
Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
Have heard the #flyers and #Habs have had discussions on Shayne Gostisbehere. While no deal is imminent, told Andrew Shaw is a player the Flyers have interest in

09:48 - 11 juin 2019


I added something to my previous post. That should help explain what I meant,
Jun 11 at 1:55
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Quoting: F50marco
"Ghost value seems lower than I expect".

Based on what? Other Habs fans AGM's? rolling eyes

I should rephrase: Philly fans think Shaw and Byron are way worse than they actually are. Some Habs fans have them way higher than they should be however.

I never talked about Byron!!

I don't know how you went from what people are speculating Byron+Shaw+ for Ghost. But Shaw Kulak and a 3rd is worse IMO. Shaw and Byron + a pick is way better value.
Jun 11 at 1:57
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ChicagoGM
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Taking back MacDonald does help even out the trade value a bit.
Jun 11 at 1:59
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Quoting: yanp007


I phrased the original post poorly, that's why. Its looking like people are taking the Shaw+Ghost rumour and starting at the far left of the spectrum.

A Shaw for Ghost rumour is more than likely Shaw+ for Ghost. The + makes all the difference. If Kulak and a 3rd are the "+". That doesn't seem like much IMO. The other trades people have mentioned at least had Byron included also. That at least makes more sense even though IMO I don't see that happening.
Jun 11 at 2:03
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Habsnatic
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I think that if Ghost and Shaw are at the heart of a trade, it's the Habs that add. I would suggest a prospect and the better of our two second rounders.
Shaw has some value, Ghost has more. Habs need to make a trade like this, Philly is likely less pressured.

A package might well be Shaw, 2nd round pick 2019, non top 5 prospect (top 5 being Suzuki, Poehling, Romanov, Primeau, Brook). I would also be willing to look at 2020 picks depending on how well Shaw plays (60 games plus and 15 goals plus) and the Habs don't give up a 2020 3rd. So call it Shaw, 46 OA, Cale Fleury or Jake Evans, and a 2020 pick.

I had understood the rumour to be Shaw or Bryon, not both, for the record. If the Flyers want both, then our best second round pick would be appropriate.
 
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