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Trouba to DET trades with VAN and NYI

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Team: 2019-20 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 12, 2019
Published: Jun. 12, 2019
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I don’t want to hear the Detroit will get Trouba for free talk. There is no guarantee that that has happened and yzerman has reportedly already had conversations about Trouba with Chevy.

Perreault and Tanev are very underrated. On the surface they may seem like cap dumps, but their underlying numbers are where their value is. Perrault actually brings good value and he is approximately equal in value to tanev. To make it so the jets can afford him, the nucks take on kulikov who as a 5/6th defensemen and a 3rd for their troubles

Comrie and aho are on the bring of getting to the league but are stuck behind depth. They move onto different organizations for fresh starts
I don’t know if NY wants comrie but I would be looking for a defensemen who has potential, is similar in age, and is not getting much of a chance
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  1. Trouba, Jacob [RFA Rights]
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Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:13 p.m.
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I like your thinking with all of this. The only problem I see is you have a few expiring contracts and no money left. Even if the cap goes up, Morrissey will eat all of it with his next deal.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:19 p.m.
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VAN decline, trade highly favors the Jets.
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Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:21 p.m.
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I like your thinking with all of this. The only problem I see is you have a few expiring contracts and no money left. Even if the cap goes up, Morrissey will eat all of it with his next deal.


I’m thinking that morrissey will eat up 3-3.5 million. Anthansiou will eat up 3 at most. And then the bridge slide aka for niku, roslovic, Appleton should account for 4-6 million. With tabev probably being resigned for 2-2.5 million cheaper and a 2.5-3 million cap increase I would be looking at trading someone to free up the 5is million more. Maybe we trade roslovic? Would save 1 million. Up to 2 of Lowry, little, or copp would probably be moved. After that, we’re good
Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:22 p.m.
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VAN decline, trade highly favors the Jets.


I assume you have already read my reasoning. Do you disagree with it? If so what about it. Not enough to take on kulikov maybe?

Perreault for Tanev seems fair however, maybe even favoured towards VAN, but rd are more valuable so I say value is even.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:23 p.m.
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Aho is a future Top 4 dman IMO so it will take much more than a kid who will be a future backup if he’s lucky
Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:26 p.m.
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I assume you have already read my reasoning. Do you disagree with it? If so what about it. Not enough to take on kulikov maybe?

Perreault for Tanev seems fair however, maybe even favoured towards VAN, but rd are more valuable so I say value is even.


Tanev is still a very important piece for Vancouver since they don't have the depth on the right side, Canucks have no need for another 3rd line winger.
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Jun. 12, 2019 at 4:43 p.m.
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Detroit declines. Trouba wants to go to UFA (he won't sign an extension) and therefore is only a 1 year rental. AA is the 2nd or 3rd fastest skater in the league and a 30 goal scorer who is only 24 years old.

Reasons why Trouba goes to UFA:
1) Salary cap will go up next year means more $ for UFA's
2) Every team can bid and not have to give up assets means more $ than by choosing among the few that met the Jets trade demands. Also means he gets a true choice of where he goes.
3) Expiring contracts means teams have more money than before
4) More info will be available about the upcoming CBA so he can structure his contract as lockout proofed if necessary
5) He gets to stick it to Jets management for their role in the failed negotiations that lead to his holdout, for denying his 1st trade request in 2016, for taking him to arbitration in 2018, and for putting him on the block right now.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 5:29 p.m.
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AA just had a 54 point season.

If he continues improving you are looking at 5 million plus
Jun. 12, 2019 at 5:53 p.m.
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I like your thinking overall. Personally I would switch the term for Connor and Laine (ie bridge Connor and give Laine term) but yours is probably the more realistic option.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 6:44 p.m.
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Done deal from Detroit AA+Detroit's 2019 2nd round pick is more then fair for a sign and trade Jacob Trouba. And if Detroit does land him. That's the package i could see happening.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 6:47 p.m.
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Detroit declines. Trouba wants to go to UFA (he won't sign an extension) and therefore is only a 1 year rental. AA is the 2nd or 3rd fastest skater in the league and a 30 goal scorer who is only 24 years old.

Reasons why Trouba goes to UFA:
1) Salary cap will go up next year means more $ for UFA's
2) Every team can bid and not have to give up assets means more $ than by choosing among the few that met the Jets trade demands. Also means he gets a true choice of where he goes.
3) Expiring contracts means teams have more money than before
4) More info will be available about the upcoming CBA so he can structure his contract as lockout proofed if necessary
5) He gets to stick it to Jets management for their role in the failed negotiations that lead to his holdout, for denying his 1st trade request in 2016, for taking him to arbitration in 2018, and for putting him on the block right now.


Your copy and pasting here is getting a little old, Trouba's own agent Kurt Overhardt pretty much said that Jacob would agree to a sign and trade with both Detroit and Florida rumored amount is around 8 x 8 on a sign and trade deal. And it's been reported that Detroit is more then willing to give Trouba his 8 x 8 asking price.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 6:53 p.m.
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Tanev is still a very important piece for Vancouver since they don't have the depth on the right side, Canucks have no need for another 3rd line winger.


Substitute Tanev for Granlund and I think it's more reasonable. I would prefer a draft pick over Perrault tbh
Jun. 12, 2019 at 8:59 p.m.
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Substitute Tanev for Granlund and I think it's more reasonable. I would prefer a draft pick over Perrault tbh


I want Tanev tho lol. I need someone who can handle top 4 mins. I could send a 3rd rounder for Tanev straight up
Jun. 12, 2019 at 9:02 p.m.
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I want Tanev tho lol. I need someone who can handle top 4 mins. I could send a 3rd rounder for Tanev straight up


No reason for Vancouver to do that. Assuming he’s healthy at the TDL, Vancouver could easily get a 2nd.
Jun. 12, 2019 at 9:07 p.m.
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No reason for Vancouver to do that. Assuming he’s healthy at the TDL, Vancouver could easily get a 2nd.


I really do not think so unless you retain half. 11 points in 53 games. Injury prone. Doesn’t really bring value. However, perreault also doesn’t bring production but is valuable and van fans have told me it’s the same case for Tanev. Very good underlying numbers. That is why I say perreault for Tanev. Tanev makes up for the extra year by being a rd.

Raise perreault’s stock by playing him with skill (unlike the jets) and you could get a decent haul for him, or you could chose to keep him
Jun. 13, 2019 at 4:57 a.m.
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Edited Jun. 13, 2019 at 5:02 a.m.
Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Your copy and pasting here is getting a little old, Trouba's own agent Kurt Overhardt pretty much said that Jacob would agree to a sign and trade with both Detroit and Florida rumored amount is around 8 x 8 on a sign and trade deal. And it's been reported that Detroit is more then willing to give Trouba his 8 x 8 asking price.
Yet no one can provide real reason why Trouba will sign an extension. Other than "pretty much said," "rumored," and a bunch of other non-sense. But "has been reported." By whom some non-sense website? Show me the beat writer's name--not a website run out of the author's mom's basement. Article link please.

In fact the only person reporting AA and the Jets is a 23-year-old freelance journalist in Winnipeg, Manitoba who was recently the high school sports reporter. Is that where you're getting this non-sense from?

Will Detroit trade for Trouba? I really doubt it given Winnipeg's outrageous supposed asks. But is Detroit willing to give up the 2nd fastest skater in the league at 24 years old having just scored 30 goals....that answer is obvious.

I get what Winnipeg and their fans want for Trouba. But that time has past, no team will pay that ask. The Jets can no longer get fair value for him: 12 days from now the value shrinks even more (1st and a 3rd).
Jun. 13, 2019 at 8:05 a.m.
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I really do not think so unless you retain half. 11 points in 53 games. Injury prone. Doesn’t really bring value. However, perreault also doesn’t bring production but is valuable and van fans have told me it’s the same case for Tanev. Very good underlying numbers. That is why I say perreault for Tanev. Tanev makes up for the extra year by being a rd.

Raise perreault’s stock by playing him with skill (unlike the jets) and you could get a decent haul for him, or you could chose to keep him


Tanev plays top pair for Vancouver. That’s why I qualified to say if he’s healthy. As for Perrault, Vancouver has too many players like him. Would prefer draft picks for a Tanev deal.
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Jun. 13, 2019 at 2:53 p.m.
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Tanev plays top pair for Vancouver. That’s why I qualified to say if he’s healthy. As for Perrault, Vancouver has too many players like him. Would prefer draft picks for a Tanev deal.


So in other words you do think that perreault for Tanev is at least fair, but you don’t see it working positionally for VAN
Jun. 13, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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Aho is a future Top 4 dman IMO so it will take much more than a kid who will be a future backup if he’s lucky


Comrie has nhl starter upside, just like aho has top 4 upside. In his 1 game, comrie was really good after he settled in (like reallly good). Even with the jets defence, well not playing defence, he only let in 2 goals and those were very hard saves. However, since I watch a lot of moose games, I know he could have made those saves, he just was a little rattled after giving up 3 on the 1st, 2 of which were not at all his fault.

Don’t let the numbers fool you. This kid is really good. He put up this numbers behind a team that couldn’t score or play defence. The moose run that almost gave them a playoff ticket started with comrie. He had a .960 sv % in 10 games. Then he got called up. Didn’t play. Then got sent back down, still played well. And then late in the year he got called up again. Where he played that game. Behind the jets defence that game, any of the 3 jets goalies would have given up at least 4 goals
Jun. 13, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.
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So in other words you do think that perreault for Tanev is at least fair, but you don’t see it working positionally for VAN


Not sure I would say that. Perrault's numbers aren't bad, but he's 31 years old and his contract pays over $4M for 2 more years. I'm not sure he's worth that.

Tanev is a new age shut down dman on an expiring $4M+ contract who is a RHD. And he's 29. His biggest issue is his health. If he could stay healthy, he's definitely worth the $4M+ contract.

So I don't think it's an even swap.
Jun. 13, 2019 at 4:28 p.m.
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Not sure I would say that. Perrault's numbers aren't bad, but he's 31 years old and his contract pays over $4M for 2 more years. I'm not sure he's worth that.

Tanev is a new age shut down dman on an expiring $4M+ contract who is a RHD. And he's 29. His biggest issue is his health. If he could stay healthy, he's definitely worth the $4M+ contract.

So I don't think it's an even swap.


Perreault brings much more than production.
He is one of the best play drivers in the league
Jun. 13, 2019 at 4:57 p.m.
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Perreault brings much more than production.
He is one of the best play drivers in the league


Who are his regular line mates?
Jun. 13, 2019 at 5:43 p.m.
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Who are his regular line mates?


He played lw with Lowry and Tanev. Which explains his dip in production. However he is one of the only jets whose possession numbers are not seriously impacted by playing with laine. In fact he is the only jets player who raises Laine’s possession numbers

He also played with roslovic and copp in a mentor role which served roslovic well.

I think that he could easily bet 50-60 pts with boeser and petterson. With horvat that is realistic as well. He looks like a good fit for both.
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Jun. 13, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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Thanks for the info. I still don't think he fits Vancouver. Vancouver would want younger assets.
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