@tansor @MNBassman

If I were Wild I'd take that trade any day.

Agreed, i know that the Thread is going toward MIN fan base, but anything than 4 x 1st is no-go from my side : https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/229172

Do you think they should add more?
Maybe just a pick??

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Thoughts?

Or how about Wild retain on Spurgeon??

I feel Minny needs to add a pick to the deal. Perhaps 2nd rounder.



The thing is that I don't see any team offer-sheeting Marner. Yeah there's alot of talk of it but historically it just doesn't happen.
That said, if the Leafs can't agree with Marner's camp on a deal, then trading him makes sense.

The value isn't bad, but the players might not be the right choice. Any Marner trade starts with Dumba over Spurgeon. Age difference and contract status are the 2 big factors there. Then a young, up and coming roster player, Greenway fits that description but I'd aim for Luke Kunin. Only 21 and a well needed right handed centre, that might be the thing Toronto needs most actually. Then multiple picks involved and perhaps another prospects. Toronto has to add a bit as well, but those should be the main pieces coming back. I doubt if Minnesota would "want to give" that for Marner, but it seems to be pretty good value for him.

I've suggested this in the past:


Mitch Marner
Callé Rosén
Toronto 2020 3rd round pick


Matt Dumba
Luke Kunin
Conor Dewar
Minnesota 2020 1st round pick (top 5 protected)
Minnesota 2021 5th round pick

I have to think about this one for a day or two...

Honestly moving a young TOP10, possibly even TOP5 RW on this league for a pending UFA D, TOP6 winger and winger prospect with TOP6 potential as a base of the trade doesn't work long term.
TOR isn't saving any money after this move, and there's a potential risk that they'd lose Spurgeon after the year (I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting a 7x7 deal as UFA which TOR can't really afford).

The problem is that any trade that has the incentive for Dubas involving Marner includes assets from MIN that they'd never be in the position to give up.

If some godly being forces TOR to trade Marner to MIN, I'd say the move should be something like this:


Matt Dumba
Jordan Greenway
Kevin Fiala
2019 1st round pick
2020 2nd round pick


Mitch Marner
Nikita Zaitsev

And I think Wild would decline. Wild is not going to pay as much as TOR would like. And that is the biggest issue when you're dealing with the absolute top assets of the league. For top assets you naturally want top assets or close to that in exchange, until the cost gets too high from anyone to benefit from the deal. Moving several close to top assets for one top asset would create more problems than it would solve.

And that is the biggest issue.

I think its terrible. A trade has to be based around a younger core guy coming back if Marner leaves

I agree with Ryminister. I really like Spurgeon, but if Minny wants Marner the talks start with Dumba, or it's not happening.

Problem is that only asset from that trade TML needs in Spurgeon and his rental can be fetched for far less than losing Marner

I understand your point about Spurgeon and I hope you understand mine about the 4 first round picks..in that they are a unrealistic scenario.
As others here have suggested, Dumba would be a more reasonable asset going the other way if Marner is involved in said trade.

What about

Dumba
Fiala
Kunin
2nd or 3rd rounder

For

Marner
Hollowell
1st rounder

Makes sense, but if you check MIN fan threads, they are for Kapanen, which would cost them 6M less ( cca ) and they would keep Dumba as they are building on him.

Marner can only wait for fictional offer-sheets, as soon as trade is in question, Dubas has an upper hand on the kid and force him closer to his own terms. Tho after he caved on Matthews, i doubt he will have the balls for such scenario....

Value wise Wild is the clear winner.

But are they in the position to move Dumba? Would the move create bigger holes than it would solve?

Probably. But I'd take it if I were Wild.

It's one year of Spurgeon that is kinda useless to the Leafs. With/without Marner Leafs are going to be worse than last year with Gardiner/Hainsey and the injured Dermot and Hyman. Leafs still have to get rid of cap. If it's Nylander OK, Kadri/Brown OK. Even Marner gone that's OK, but the return should be long term ELCs or even the four first rounders via offer sheet.

Sorry but zucker is not the type of winger we need. He’s a net presence guy. A lot of teams coould Use this but not the leafs. Certainly not if were were giving up marner. That void needs a playmaker.

Love spurgeon and greenway but when it comes down to it greenway May be the best piece from the wild’s side.

I think it would be much more beneficial for the leafs to target spurgeon with kappy.

@TanSor @MNBassman

How about...


Kadri
Kapanen
2020 1st


Spurgeon
Ericsson Ek
Greenway

It is a lot of value but I think any Marner trade will have to include Dumba to the Leafs

It isn't bad value-wise, but Kadri really isn't a great target for us. If we trade for a center it has to be a young one with potential to be a 1C. Kadri is what he is at this point which is a good 2C on a contender but not really an ideal 1C

I’m with @TanSor here - no interest in Kadri at all.
And for the record, Zucker is not a net front presence guy...not even close. He’s a great skater...and a very inaccurate shooter, although he has a good release and a lot of zip on his shot. He is feisty though!

I would give some thought to Kapanen, Zaitsev, and the 2020 1st for Spurgeon and retain 1/2 his salary for next year.

How’s that sound?

Too much to give up on a rental I would say. I know you want a good return on spurgeon but I can’t really justify giving up kappy and 1st, zaitsev is meh, he requested a trade and with that contract we wouldn’t get more than a 4th. Giving up kappy and a 1st I would be looking for a Dman with more control. Probably wouldn’t be as good as spurgeon but he will be getting a raise next year and turning 30 so re signing him may not be in our best interest.

With kappy zaitsev and Marleau gone probably wouldn’t need anything retained.

Would that work for you ?

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/235537