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Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 14, 2019
Published: Jun. 14, 2019
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2$2,000,000
3$3,500,000
6$9,500,000
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2$900,000
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  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2019 1st round pick (COL)
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2021
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19$83,000,000$64,799,761$0$3,532,500$18,200,239
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$5,571,429$5,571,429
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LW, RW
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$885,833$885,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
UFA - 1
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$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
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$1,975,000$1,975,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
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$900,000$900,000
C
RFA - 1
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$3,450,000$3,450,000
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G
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 2
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$675,000$675,000
G
UFA - 1
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Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:13 a.m.
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COL should keep Kerfoot and the 1st. Be patient. They have a TON of talent and they're just going to get better with 1sts and 4 more years of Mac on a steal of a contract.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:15 a.m.
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Not a huge fan of it, no need to burn those assets yet. Plus it seems like Kessel doesnt want to leave Pittsburgh so he evoking that NMC
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:16 a.m.
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COL should keep Kerfoot and the 1st. Be patient. They have a TON of talent and they're just going to get better with 1sts and 4 more years of Mac on a steal of a contract.


What you say is true, but it would be very beneficial to have a second line that is a legit threat to score every shift.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:19 a.m.
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Chuck Fletcher will probably retain some salary even though he's not involved in any of the trades!
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:20 a.m.
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Not a huge fan of it, no need to burn those assets yet. Plus it seems like Kessel doesnt want to leave Pittsburgh so he evoking that NMC


I don't think it is a matter of Kessel not wanting to leave. It is a matter of him not wanting to go to certain teams. I feel what COL would be getting makes the assets worth it. kerfoot is a very good player, but there are good, younger players that can fill that void. Late 1st round pick is not a guarantee to be a helpful player. Could end up being a bust. Take the sure thing over a maybe.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:23 a.m.
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I don't think it is a matter of Kessel not wanting to leave. It is a matter of him not wanting to go to certain teams. I feel what COL would be getting makes the assets worth it. kerfoot is a very good player, but there are good, younger players that can fill that void. Late 1st round pick is not a guarantee to be a helpful player. Could end up being a bust. Take the sure thing over a maybe.


The 16th overall pick isnt a late 1st round pick, its still a high value pick...I always love that sort of logic, well they could be a bust so why not trade it. Or he could be a stud and you are the guys who traded away a franchise player for a 30+ year old player who probably wouldnt gel under Bendar. Kessel the player good, Kessel in Colorado is a gamble. Not a fan of the move
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:26 a.m.
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The 16th overall pick isnt a late 1st round pick, its still a high value pick...I always love that sort of logic, well they could be a bust so why not trade it. Or he could be a stud and you are the guys who traded away a franchise player for a 30+ year old player who probably wouldnt gel under Bendar. Kessel the player good, Kessel in Colorado is a gamble. Not a fan of the move


That logic is why the Aves will never win it all again.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:30 a.m.
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That logic is why the Aves will never win it all again.


Right...burning assets on trades that arent the right trades is bad management. Let me guess you are a Pens fan and you just want as much as you can for Kessel bc he has out wore his welcome with that fan base. Sorry but why would teams line up for that?

Avs...not AVES, are building something the right way, one of the youngest teams in the league, put the league on notice with their playoff run, and have all the cap space in the world to sign all their young RFAs and still add an impact UFA like Panarin. Trading the 16th overall and Kerfoot for Kessel and a bust goalie prospect who would be in the ECHL is the exact opposite type of move you want to make if you want to be a long term contender
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:32 a.m.
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Right...burning assets on trades that arent the right trades is bad management. Let me guess you are a Pens fan and you just want as much as you can for Kessel bc he has out wore his welcome with that fan base. Sorry but why would teams line up for that?

Avs...not AVES, are building something the right way, one of the youngest teams in the league, put the league on notice with their playoff run, and have all the cap space in the world to sign all their young RFAs and still add an impact UFA like Panarin. Trading the 16th overall and Kerfoot for Kessel and a bust goalie prospect who would be in the ECHL is the exact opposite type of move you want to make if you want to be a long term contender


Joe sakic was bad at hockey.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:32 a.m.
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I say keep the pick. If you want to add a high value forward and have cap space to burn, make a play for one of the big name UFA's.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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Joe sakic was bad at hockey.


good one, dont cry bc no one likes your trade idea
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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Right...burning assets on trades that arent the right trades is bad management. Let me guess you are a Pens fan and you just want as much as you can for Kessel bc he has out wore his welcome with that fan base. Sorry but why would teams line up for that?

Avs...not AVES, are building something the right way, one of the youngest teams in the league, put the league on notice with their playoff run, and have all the cap space in the world to sign all their young RFAs and still add an impact UFA like Panarin. Trading the 16th overall and Kerfoot for Kessel and a bust goalie prospect who would be in the ECHL is the exact opposite type of move you want to make if you want to be a long term contender


There comes a time when young teams need to sell
Some future assets for proven winners like kessel. This is a good kessel Trade whether you like it or not. Avs can afford to move out some assets for a top winger like kessel. And btw Jarry is not an ECHL goalie haha. He’s got a legit shot at being a good NHL goalie but Pittsburgh’s crease is crowded.
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Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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I say keep the pick. If you want to add a high value forward and have cap space to burn, make a play for one of the big name UFA's.


Issue is no big UFAS will sign there
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:35 a.m.
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I say keep the pick. If you want to add a high value forward and have cap space to burn, make a play for one of the big name UFA's.


Not a bad plan. UFAs tend to get overpaid in my opinion. Can be dangerous sometimes.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:36 a.m.
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There comes a time when young teams need to sell
Some future assets for proven winners like kessel. This is a good kessel Trade whether you like it or not. Avs can afford to move out some assets for a top winger like kessel. And btw Jarry is not an ECHL goalie haha. He’s got a legit shot at being a good NHL goalie but Pittsburgh’s crease is crowded.


I tend to disagree with you most of the time. But it seems we are on the same page for once. Might have to rethink my position on this matter.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:39 a.m.
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There comes a time when young teams need to sell
Some future assets for proven winners like kessel. This is a good kessel Trade whether you like it or not. Avs can afford to move out some assets for a top winger like kessel. And btw Jarry is not an ECHL goalie haha. He’s got a legit shot at being a good NHL goalie but Pittsburgh’s crease is crowded.


But seriously. You nailed it. To win teams need to build through the draft and develope top talent, then they need to surround that talent with established veterans. Giving up none core players, and future picks that may or may not work out for that talent is the way to do that.
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Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:40 a.m.
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There comes a time when young teams need to sell
Some future assets for proven winners like kessel. This is a good kessel Trade whether you like it or not. Avs can afford to move out some assets for a top winger like kessel. And btw Jarry is not an ECHL goalie haha. He’s got a legit shot at being a good NHL goalie but Pittsburgh’s crease is crowded.


Avs dont have any room for Jarry. ECHL goalie sure I might have exaggerated there but how long have the Jarry is coming soon narrative been? He has had poor NHL numbers over multiple years of calls up, he just might not be NHL good enough even in a back up role. It might be time to just admit hes an AHL goalie

Sure avs could move assets, but it has to be the right player, fit, age, etc that makes sense for their Window. Kessel doesnt fit that. He would help no bought about it, like I said Kessel the player is good, but Kessel on the Avs doesnt make a lot of sense IMO. 32 next year with 3 years left. You arent getting the prime years anymore, chances are you are going to get his decline back half of his contract and why would they want a 35 year old with 6.8m and a NMC during the expansion draft, just so you lose a younger player and you are moving on from Kessel regardless at his age
Its just a bad move when you look at holistically
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:40 a.m.
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Issue is no big UFAS will sign there


hahaha right, just bc you say that doesnt mean its true,
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:43 a.m.
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Avs dont have any room for Jarry. ECHL goalie sure I might have exaggerated there but how long have the Jarry is coming soon narrative been? He has had poor NHL numbers over multiple years of calls up, he just might not be NHL good enough even in a back up role. It might be time to just admit hes an AHL goalie

Sure avs could move assets, but it has to be the right player, fit, age, etc that makes sense for their Window. Kessel doesnt fit that. He would help no bought about it, like I said Kessel the player is good, but Kessel on the Avs doesnt make a lot of sense IMO. 32 next year with 3 years left. You arent getting the prime years anymore, chances are you are going to get his decline back half of his contract and why would they want a 35 year old with 6.8m and a NMC during the expansion draft.

Its just a bad move when you look at holistically


Would you rather the AVES go after a Ufa and end up with a Jeff Skinner like contract? 6.8 for a player that will provide the AVES with the scoring that Phil would brings is an absolute bargain in today's NHL.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:43 a.m.
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But seriously. You nailed it. To win teams need to build through the draft and develope top talent, then they need to surround that talent with established veterans. Giving up none core players, and future picks that may or may not work out for that talent is the way to do that.


thats the opposite way of dong it, thats how you become the Minnesota Wild and stuck in mediocre for a decade
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:44 a.m.
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Would you rather the AVES go after a Ufa and end up with a Jeff Skinner like contract? 6.8 for a player that will provide the AVES with the scoring that Phil would brings is an absolute bargain in today's NHL.


For a troll you really suck at this, you know that right
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:46 a.m.
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Issue is no big UFAS will sign there


Why not? Denver is a great place!
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:46 a.m.
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thats the opposite way of dong it, thats how you become the Minnesota Wild and stuck in mediocre for a decade


No. The wild did the opposite. They went the sign UFA route and ended up overpaying. Too much money for way too long. Then tried to fill in with the draft. 3 more years of a 6.8 a year contract is in no way an anchor of any kind. Especially for a player who will produce the way Phil does. Sure he may not put up a point per game, but he won't be far off.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:47 a.m.
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For a troll you really suck at this, you know that right


You have no idea the extent of my trolling capabilities.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 11:51 a.m.
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No. The wild did the opposite. They went the sign UFA route and ended up overpaying. Too much money for way too long. Then tried to fill in with the draft. 3 more years of a 6.8 a year contract is in no way an anchor of any kind. Especially for a player who will produce the way Phil does. Sure he may not put up a point per game, but he won't be far off.


they traded away all their young guys and assets to win now for years. They had a new young core of Coyle, Nino, Zucker, etc but they refused to keep on building through the draft etc. They blocked the growth of their younger guys bc of all the aging players they acquired. They locked themselves into bad contracts trying to win now trading for older guys (like Kessel) then lose a guy like Tuch in the expansion draft bc they couldn't protect him with all the NMC they gave out.

You know exactly what I said what would be the issue with Kessel NMC in his last year of his contract, but hey keep on trying to troll, you might figure it out one day
 
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