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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 14, 2019
Published: Jun. 14, 2019
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,000,000$69,068,809$0$4,800,000$13,931,191
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$748,333$748,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$1,450,000$1M)
LD
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 14, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.
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Montreal loses a Juulsen-Juolevi swap. Why add three other pieces without dumping cap?
Jun. 14, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Montreal loses a Juulsen-Juolevi swap. Why add three other pieces without dumping cap?


Juolevi has better numbers in the AHL than Juulsen. Juolevi hasn't even played a full season in the AHL/NHL yet. His ceiling is also a lot higher than Juulsen.
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Jun. 14, 2019 at 3:33 p.m.
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Edited Jun. 14, 2019 at 3:43 p.m.
Quoting: BlueSeeker
Juolevi has better numbers in the AHL than Juulsen. Juolevi hasn't even played a full season in the AHL/NHL yet. His ceiling is also a lot higher than Juulsen.


AHL production, especially for defenders, doesn't frequently translate to NHL play, especially when the majority of it comes in the form of assists.

Consider this: Juulsen has played actual NHL games. 44 to be specific. The expectation is, currently, that he'll be seeing a full 82 games next season as his eye injury appears to be behind him now. Does the current 44 games plus 82 projected games bring more value than zero NHL games plus a projected 70 more in the AHL next season?

Consider that, despite the lack of production, Juulsen has developed into an NHL defender. Juolevi's production has been almost as stagnant (except for last year's injury-shortened campaign) but at lesser levels. Ceilings aside, you need to put more stock into the current value. If Juolevi is worth Evans and the CBJ 2nd Round Pick, don't give up Juulsen and Peca in the deal. If the Canucks' ask starts with Juulsen, they pay more, not less. Paying for what you think a player will be has cost certain NHL GMs their jobs for decades: it's a matter of getting good value.

Also, why piss assets away when you can have a better LD than Juolevi with the 15th Pick in this years' draft? All of Harley, York, Heinola, and even Broberg are likely to develop into more than Juolevi.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 4:26 p.m.
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Classic quantity for quality type deal. In terms of literally counting up all the value from the Habs side and tallying it up, it may be equal value but in most trades, the quality asset is the preferred one. In this case it is true also.

The reason you want Juolevi and are willing to throw a bunch of assets at him is because you are confident he can be something good. Vancouver probably thinks that too.

I think the biggest x factor in any deal like this is that Juolevi hasn't even shown what he can do yet and that not knowing from a Vancouver perspective makes him really hard to pry away. even if the value were fair.
Jun. 14, 2019 at 7:15 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Classic quantity for quality type deal. In terms of literally counting up all the value from the Habs side and tallying it up, it may be equal value but in most trades, the quality asset is the preferred one. In this case it is true also.

The reason you want Juolevi and are willing to throw a bunch of assets at him is because you are confident he can be something good. Vancouver probably thinks that too.

I think the biggest x factor in any deal like this is that Juolevi hasn't even shown what he can do yet and that not knowing from a Vancouver perspective makes him really hard to pry away. even if the value were fair.


yeah i get waht you mean. but imo juulsen is quality value that im sending back. as far as i know, the cancusk dont have a quality right shot young defender in the system. they have hughes on the left. evans is anther piece that imo the cancuks would live. peca is just for cap purposes
Jun. 14, 2019 at 7:16 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Montreal loses a Juulsen-Juolevi swap. Why add three other pieces without dumping cap?


we neeed a left shot D
Jun. 14, 2019 at 7:46 p.m.
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yeah i get waht you mean. but imo juulsen is quality value that im sending back. as far as i know, the cancusk dont have a quality right shot young defender in the system. they have hughes on the left. evans is anther piece that imo the cancuks would live. peca is just for cap purposes


They have Jet Woo, who might be a decent PP option for them in the future, just so you know.

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we neeed a left shot D


Cool. Why are you overpaying for one?
Jun. 14, 2019 at 8:27 p.m.
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They have Jet Woo, who might be a decent PP option for them in the future, just so you know.



Cool. Why are you overpaying for one?


im not over paying. i think looking at the potential, its a fair deal
 
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