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Kreider is not worth the 7 overall pick. Vesey doesnt really have value at this point.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:26 a.m.

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Sabres aren't trading their first for a 28 year old, more than likely, overpaid player. The only way they trade their first is to get a young talented roster player.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:32 a.m.

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Quoting: Cheesesauce

Buffalo decline. I like Kreider, but not for #7. Vesey is not needed at all, although Botterill is for some reason interested in him.

Choosing Dallas is likely to be late first.

Honestly, I think Dallas first may surprise you. If you look at them over the past few years, they have been in and out of the playoffs, and if that is the case next year, this trade could be good for you. Also, Kreider with Eichel or even Middlestadt will be really good. He could be a 60 point player if he stays healthy and plays with good linemates. He would have done it this year, but got hurt and his production dipped as a result. Also, Buffalo has a solid prospect pool. Over the past years, they have gotten Eichel, Nylander, Dahlin, Middlestadt, etc. With this 7th overall pick, the vest player available will probably be a center, and Buffalo has good centers already. Unless they really love a certain player, I think Buffalo may do this. That may just be me hoping it happens though lol.
How is the Trouba trade?

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:33 a.m.

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Sabres aren't trading their first for a 28 year old, more than likely, overpaid player. The only way they trade their first is to get a young talented roster player.

Their also getting Vesey and a 1st lol.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:34 a.m.

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Kreider is not worth the 7 overall pick. Vesey doesnt really have value at this point.

Vesey does have value, and Buffalo has interest in him. I think the 2020 first from a inconsistent Dallas team may entice Botterelli. In order to attain this pick, what would NYR need to add on top of Kreider?

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:36 a.m.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:38 a.m.

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Their also getting Vesey and a 1st lol.

Vesey is probably worth a 4th and that first will probably be 25+. No deal from a team like Buffalo.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:40 a.m.

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Buffalo isnt doing that

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:41 a.m.

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Take out kreider and add something of value for the sabres. Don't think that the rangers have anything that they'd be willing to part with that buffalo would want for 7oa

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:41 a.m.

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Vesey is probably worth a 4th and that first will probably be 25+. No deal from a team like Buffalo.

Forget about the trade but you saying Vesey is only worth a 4th is insane.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:43 a.m.

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Forget about the trade but you saying Vesey is only worth a 4th is insane.

30 point player who is gonna be a ufa? Not much value.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:43 a.m.

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Edited Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:50 a.m.

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the Valuation of Kreider In some of these proposals is embarrassing for rangers fans

The way I was looking at it is that Kreider, who could probably get you a pick between 14-17 on his own, with another 1st round pick (most likely between 15-25) with a 3rd line forward could get it done. I don’t think it’s so far off to say that it’s embarassing for NYR fans. You also have to keep in mind, that the Sabres came asking for Vesey which could mean they value him slightly higher than other teams may. In the description I said NYR could add a defensive prospect, and I stick by that statement. Any of Rykov, Lindgren, Keane, etc (anyone not named Miller Lundkvist Hajek or Fox) could be added. Furthermore, we could take on a cap dump which would negate value from pick 7.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:44 a.m.

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Buffalo isnt trading the 7th overall.

It would need to be for a caliber player that wont be traded. One of the RFAs, point, aho, or marnier. Yes buffalo would need to add, and no way do I think those teams are parting with those players. But that's my point, 7th overall wont be traded.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:44 a.m.

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Take out kreider and add something of value for the sabres. Don't think that the rangers have anything that they'd be willing to part with that buffalo would want for 7oa

Other than maybe Kreider (and more stuff added) that’s probably true.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:46 a.m.

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Other than maybe Kreider (and more stuff added) that’s probably true.

It's one of those times that two teams are trying to build on their youth with complimentary players around similar ages that make them terrible trade partners.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:47 a.m.

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Quoting: Root

Forget about the trade but you saying Vesey is only worth a 4th is insane.

26 year old rental who can net 30 points. Yeah he isnt fetching much. Arent you the one that said just give us a 7th for him last night?

Skinner, as a rental, only got cliff pu (echl prospect), 2nd, 3rd and 6th. Vesey nets a 5th, maybe 4th round pick.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:49 a.m.

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Skinner trade is not a good example. Looking back at it, every one thinks Buffalo finessed Carolina. A better example would be the Zuccarello trade in my opinion, where he gets a 2nd and a 3rd, that will most likely turn into an1st very soon if rumors are true.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:51 a.m.

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The way I was looking at it is that Kreider, who could probably get you a pick between 14-17 on his own, with another 1st round pick (most likely between 15-25) with a 3rd line forward could get it done. I don’t think it’s so far off to say that it’s embarassint for NYR fans. You also have to keep in mind, that the Sabres came asking for Vesey which could mean they value him slightly higher than other teams may. In the description I said NYR could add a defensive prospect, and I stick by that statement. Any of Rykov, Lindgren, Keane, etc (anyone not named Miller Lundkvist Hajek or Fox) could be added. Furthermore, we could take on a cap dump which would negate value from pick 7.

Quoting: ChytilMania

The way I was looking at it is that Kreider, who could probably get you a pick between 14-17 on his own, with another 1st round pick (most likely between 15-25) with a 3rd line forward could get it done. I don’t think it’s so far off to say that it’s embarassint for NYR fans. You also have to keep in mind, that the Sabres came asking for Vesey which could mean they value him slightly higher than other teams may. In the description I said NYR could add a defensive prospect, and I stick by that statement. Any of Rykov, Lindgren, Keane, etc (anyone not named Miller Lundkvist Hajek or Fox) could be added. Furthermore, we could take on a cap dump which would negate value from pick 7.

I thought it was STL #1, when I first looked.

I don’t see Kreider signing long term with a team he hasn’t played for, unless maybe Boston.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:54 a.m.

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30 point player who is gonna be a ufa? Not much value.

35 points not 30 and he'll be 45 points next year... but ok so lets make a trade Vesey for Girgensons and 4th round pick ? Cause Vesey is about the same age as Girgensons and just about double him in points so Girgensons worth a 7th rounder in your eyes right?

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No it's not. Zuccarello is a much better player than Vesey.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:54 a.m.

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I thought it was STL #1, when I first looked.

I don’t see Kreider signing long term with a team he hasn’t played for, unless maybe Boston.

So when you said it was embarassing to NYR fans, and also said “delete” you thought I was overpaying Buffalo? Lol

I also doubt Kreider signs an extension without playing in Buffalo, but playing with Eichel, Skinner, Dahlin, Middlestadt, and all the other promising young players may make him want to stay.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:56 a.m.

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45 points is a bold prediction, I think he can reach 40 if he consistently plays with people he has good chemistry, rather than being bounced around the lineup.

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Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:56 a.m.

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He has been in the a 30 point player for 3 years. He is now 26, I would be very surprised if he hit 45 points.

I'm hoping the Sabres let girgensons become an UFA, so yup, 7th round pick value. I would also argue girgensons has more value than vesey, since he can play a defensive role.

Jun. 16, 2019 at 10:58 a.m.

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