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Kadri Miller and Smith trades

Created by: flyersarephilly
Team: 2019-20 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 16, 2019
Published: Jun. 16, 2019
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Leaf and Knight's fans tell me what you think.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$4,000,000
8$6,300,000
3$2,000,000
4$4,100,000
3$1,400,000
2$775,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
1$700,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Vorobyov, Mikhail
  2. 2019 1st round pick (PHI)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (PHI)
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Vorobyov has shown he can play in the NHL. Considered making it Rubstov but he's coming off injury.
2.
VGK
  1. Ratcliffe, Isaac
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (NJD)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (PHI)
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2019
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22$83,000,000$75,452,222$0$2,995,000$7,547,778

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Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,137,500$4,137,500
RW, C
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$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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LW, RW
UFA - 2
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C, LW
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C, RW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
G
RFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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$678,889$678,889
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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LD
UFA - 1
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:23 p.m.
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Value is there but Leafs don't want to move Kadri
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Jangle29
Value is there but Leafs don't want to move Kadri


I figured he's the odd man out with Marner needing to be paid. Who do you think they let go??
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Jangle29
Value is there but Leafs don't want to move Kadri


I was about to say the same thing. I think that if Kadri or kappy or both are moved it will probably be for a top 4 RHD.

I think atvthe value you’re offering though it may make sense for the leafs to take this trade and flip one of the picks in a deal with kappy for blueline help.
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:28 p.m.
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I figured he's the odd man out with Marner needing to be paid. Who do you think they let go??


Zaitsev and Marleau are as good as gone.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:30 p.m.
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I figured he's the odd man out with Marner needing to be paid. Who do you think they let go??


Kapanen. He is average at best. He held Matthews back all year.
Also marner won't be making what people think. He is the 8th -10th best winger in the league and should be paid accordingly
Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:34 p.m.
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Zaitsev and Marleau are as good as gone.


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Kapanen. He is average at best. He held Matthews back all year.
Also marner won't be making what people think. He is the 8th -10th best winger in the league and should be paid accordingly

I agree that Marleau and Zaitsev are gone but isn't Marner going to take up a lot of that money? With the cap going up and how the kids want to be paid I see Marner getting 10 at least.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:37 p.m.
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I agree that Marleau and Zaitsev are gone but isn't Marner going to take up a lot of that money? With the cap going up and how the kids want to be paid I see Marner getting 10 at least.


Why though? His value is about 9-9.5. Even at 10 it's do able.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:41 p.m.
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I agree that Marleau and Zaitsev are gone but isn't Marner going to take up a lot of that money? With the cap going up and how the kids want to be paid I see Marner getting 10 at least.


With those two gone leafs can resign rfa’s easily. Leafs would have 25m to re sign marner, kappy, Mango and fill 5 roster spots.
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:42 p.m.
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Why though? His value is about 9-9.5. Even at 10 it's do able.


Cap is going to continue to go up and the younger kids want to be paid. As you said he's a top 8-10 winger in the league. The scale is going to be reset with this group of RFA's. Nylander got 7. Marner is worth 3 more IMO.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:44 p.m.
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Cap is going to continue to go up and the younger kids want to be paid. As you said he's a top 8-10 winger in the league. The scale is going to be reset with this group of RFA's. Nylander got 7. Marner is worth 3 more IMO.


Possibly, but using cap % plus inflation of all other wingers coming off entry level he would be highest
Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:46 p.m.
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Possibly, but using cap % plus inflation of all other wingers coming off entry level he would be highest


Marner's probably the best winger in the class which is why he is the highest. Also doesn't help that he was the last of the 3 to get a new contract.
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:48 p.m.
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Marner's probably the best winger in the class which is why he is the highest. Also doesn't help that he was the last of the 3 to get a new contract.


Rantanen, Aho, and Point are all better than Marner this class
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 8:57 p.m.
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Rantanen, Aho, and Point are all better than Marner this class


Point played center a good part of this season and also playing in Florida helps lower the money there. I think there is an argument for all the others for best winger in the class. I still think he gets 10.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:01 p.m.
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2 points in 15 games isnt what I'd call "showing he can play in the NHL". His CF% is 41.4% and his PDO was 104.7.
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:02 p.m.
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I'd say your value is fine for the Toronto trade but Leafs don't make it cause Vorobyov isn't the type of player Toronto would target in a Kadri deal. If you changed Vorobyov to Phil Myers, you'd have a done deal. A cheap, prospect that can handle some NHL minutes at RHD would be enough to convince Toronto to move Kadri
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:03 p.m.
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I'd say your value is fine for the Toronto trade but Leafs don't make it cause Vorobyov isn't the type of player Toronto would target in a Kadri deal. If you changed Vorobyov to Phil Myers, you'd have a done deal. A cheap, prospect that can handle some NHL minutes at RHD would be enough to convince Toronto to move Kadri


If it was Myers you don't get the first.
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
I'd say your value is fine for the Toronto trade but Leafs don't make it cause Vorobyov isn't the type of player Toronto would target in a Kadri deal. If you changed Vorobyov to Phil Myers, you'd have a done deal. A cheap, prospect that can handle some NHL minutes at RHD would be enough to convince Toronto to move Kadri


Not by themselves no. In addition to that pick, possibly.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:05 p.m.
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2 points in 15 games isnt what I'd call "showing he can play in the NHL". His CF% is 41.4% and his PDO was 104.7.


Would you prefer Rubstov in the trade?
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:05 p.m.
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Rantanen, Aho, and Point are all better than Marner this class


Marner's better than Rantanen cause Marner is actually the play driver on his line where Rantanen isn't, MacKinnon is on his line. Aho's a centre and I'd say is right around the same type of player as Marner. Point is also a centre and might have a slight edge over Marner, but wouldn't be much. But to say Marner is the 5th best of the RFA class is very far off. At worst he's 3rd best. Realistically he's 2nd behind Point
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:07 p.m.
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If it was Myers you don't get the first.


Myers and the 41st overall pick this year and a mid round pick next year (4th or 5th) is pretty fair IMO
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Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:09 p.m.
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Marner's better than Rantanen cause Marner is actually the play driver on his line where Rantanen isn't, MacKinnon is on his line. Aho's a centre and I'd say is right around the same type of player as Marner. Point is also a centre and might have a slight edge over Marner, but wouldn't be much. But to say Marner is the 5th best of the RFA class is very far off. At worst he's 3rd best. Realistically he's 2nd behind Point

I don't agree. MacKinnon has doubled his point totals since playing with Rantanen. Marner needs Tavares to produce the way he does also. I dont know know how people think Marner drives a line when the actual stats show he doesn't. He was outright dreadful without tavares last year. The stats are the stats
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:12 p.m.
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Would you prefer Rubstov in the trade?


Can't say I am fond of him either as he can't seem to play more than like 33% of a season. He did well when he played in the AHL but that is a small sample size.

Quoting: Ryminister_27
Marner's better than Rantanen cause Marner is actually the play driver on his line where Rantanen isn't, MacKinnon is on his line. Aho's a centre and I'd say is right around the same type of player as Marner. Point is also a centre and might have a slight edge over Marner, but wouldn't be much. But to say Marner is the 5th best of the RFA class is very far off. At worst he's 3rd best. Realistically he's 2nd behind Point


Yeah who has ever heard of that John Tavares bum who always makes his linemates worse.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:13 p.m.
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Can't say I am fond of him either as he can't seem to play more than like 33% of a season. He did well when he played in the AHL but that is a small sample size.



Yeah who has ever heard of that John Tavares bum who always makes his linemates worse.


Did I say Tavares made his linemates worse? Geez. Talk about twisting someone's words. Lol.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:13 p.m.
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Can't say I am fond of him either as he can't seem to play more than like 33% of a season. He did well when he played in the AHL but that is a small sample size.



Yeah who has ever heard of that John Tavares bum who always makes his linemates worse.

I just don't see they Flyers trading Myers. I could be wrong though.
Jun. 16, 2019 at 9:21 p.m.
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I know Leaf fans are hoping that Marleau and Zaitsev are traded to eliminate cap problems but if they aren't traded, and even if they are...Leafs might be wise to take the that trade you suggested.
Don't think you offered Vegas enough though.
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