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Leddy and Turris threeway

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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 17, 2019
Published: Jun. 17, 2019
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Hudon - Loaned to KHL team AK Bars
Free Agent Signings
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3$2,200,000
3$700,000
4$1,650,000
1$900,000
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
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  1. Richard, Anthony
  2. Turris, Kyle
  3. 2020 1st round pick (NSH)
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Turris coming off a bad year or two depending on who you ask. Turris is purely a Cap move and that 1st is the price to do it while getting a return for a top 6 forward who can help now .
NSH
  1. Tatar, Tomas ($1,500,000 retained)
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Tatar at 3.3 m for 2 seasons coming off a career high.
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:01 p.m.
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That is a terrible trade for Nashville. Shaw is at best a 3rd liner and Ho-Sang (while I really like his offensive skill) hasn't been able to crack the Islanders with any consistency.

For that, you're saying the Preds should give up a 2nd line center (who will be better than an injured, down season) and their top forward prospect plus a pick? That is a gigantic overpay.
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:03 p.m.
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NSH is not giving up their top forward prospect for a cap dump...why would any team do that? Oof.
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:03 p.m.
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Or the preds find any other way of trading Turris without trading Tolvanen?
So the Habs trade juulsen, Shaw, McCarron, a 2nd and a 4th and somehow come out with a really good top 4 Dman and a 20 year old with star potential? What???
McCarron is a throw in, shaw has a temper that tends to cost his team and juulsen is the only thing of value.
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:06 p.m.
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That is a terrible trade for Nashville. Shaw is at best a 3rd liner and Ho-Sang (while I really like his offensive skill) hasn't been able to crack the Islanders with any consistency.

For that, you're saying the Preds should give up a 2nd line center (who will be better than an injured, down season) and their top forward prospect plus a pick? That is a gigantic overpay.


a 2nd liner in theory but he's not shown that when it counts for NSH in the post seasons
Shaw has many times with 2 cups and a history of making youth better

on NSH he's played horrible and eaten up a ton of their cap longterm
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:17 p.m.
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Or the preds find any other way of trading Turris without trading Tolvanen?
So the Habs trade juulsen, Shaw, McCarron, a 2nd and a 4th and somehow come out with a really good top 4 Dman and a 20 year old with star potential? What???
McCarron is a throw in, shaw has a temper that tends to cost his team and juulsen is the only thing of value.


Tolvanen isnt that great , he's at the same level of skill and hype for that matter Lehkonen was .
after 2 years that will die off and people will focus on a new player .

NSH has a lot of better prospects but ill take Salomaki just as easy if it helps

your evaluations on Mccarron and Shaw are both outdated though
Mccarron had a right to be pissed he was about to be the 5th first round bust under the same coach destroying them in the AHL.

he threw his tantrum and changes were made in Laval .
mccarron was a top guy for Coach Bouchard who made every skater earn ice time including Alzner
no one got hand outs based on cap , you stepped up or sat out .

Shaw Plays how he needs to
MTL put him on 4th he took 110 PIM playing Claude Juliens Goon /pest
Put him on 3rd line and he breaks in Danault , helps Chucky and Lehkonen lead MTL to last playoff .
put him on 2nd with Domi and he goes out and has career highs in offense and lows has lower penalty issues.

its why PHI when talking trading Ghostisbhere
Shaw's name was first mentioned
when linked to Duchene deal in COL Shaw's name was first mentioned in the deal .

Teams with a history of Winning or atleast intelligent GM's want Shaw .
WPG new this trying to land him the year they brought on Statsny .

to quote Domi '' if you dont understand Shawzy's value , you just dont know hockey , you just dont .''
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:23 p.m.
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NSH is not giving up their top forward prospect for a cap dump...why would any team do that? Oof.


Tolvanen isnt their top forward prospect anymore then Lehkoenen was ours .

you just have a weak system in which MTL could gift you Hudon's rights and he'd become one of your top 3 prospects.
you kept using picks to acquire players like Boninio , Turris , Simmonds ext. IF NSH system was stocked you'd look at Tolvanen like a 2nd/3rd line projected winger who might put up 45 points on a career high . he's a great offensive PP guy but 5v5 as a 2 way players he's a liability and not on the level most Finnish Prospect's have in their arsenal as Fundementals of their game .

but name a prospect ill take him , its all pretty well future bottom 6 players in their system anyways
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:23 p.m.
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islanders say no
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:27 p.m.
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islanders say no

Alright

This site was designed for more then just taking away
it meant for multiple gm's to Contribute and debate over a players value

what is it you value Leddy at on his decline after losing NYI the post season by not showing up ?
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:32 p.m.
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That is a terrible trade for Nashville. Shaw is at best a 3rd liner and Ho-Sang (while I really like his offensive skill) hasn't been able to crack the Islanders with any consistency.

For that, you're saying the Preds should give up a 2nd line center (who will be better than an injured, down season) and their top forward prospect plus a pick? That is a gigantic overpay.


WPG gave up Armia and picks to move out 1 year on Mason's deal
a former 1st round pick who played a key defensive role for MTL last year recording career firsts like the Hat Trick in March pushing for a playoff spot .

Turris's deal is 5 years at 6m and you think a single player who's potentially just a level above Armia isnt worth that cost ?
Shaw's deal is a sweetheart deal for any GM actually thinking about the big picture .
you get Shaw for 3 years and get to unburden yourselves of Turris who will continue to get injured as he enters his 30's and decline all while under contract
where as by the time Shaw declines he'll be signed to another team as a UFA

as far as buyout trades go this is the cheapest i can think of in comparison to actual deals done in real life .
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Alright

This site was designed for more then just taking away
it meant for multiple gm's to Contribute and debate over a players value

what is it you value Leddy at on his decline after losing NYI the post season by not showing up ?


Leddy is a top 4 puck moving defenseman. Those don't grow on trees - he has 3 years left at a very reasonable cap hit entering his prime years. The reason why the Islanders are shopping him is for a "hockey trade". The emergence of Devon Toews makes leddy expendable and since we are need of top 6 Forwards, leddy makes the most sense to part with because he has the most value and it's trading from a position of strength.
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Alright

This site was designed for more then just taking away
it meant for multiple gm's to Contribute and debate over a players value

what is it you value Leddy at on his decline after losing NYI the post season by not showing up ?


Leddy was great in the 1st round against Pittsburgh. Scored a big goal and did a great job along with Boychuk at shutting down Malkins line. No one showed up in the 2nd round against Carolina, especially the offense, which is why we lost the series.
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:43 p.m.
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Leddy is a top 4 puck moving defenseman. Those don't grow on trees - he has 3 years left at a very reasonable cap hit entering his prime years. The reason why the Islanders are shopping him is for a "hockey trade". The emergence of Devon Toews makes leddy expendable and since we are need of top 6 Forwards, leddy makes the most sense to part with because he has the most value and it's trading from a position of strength.


so what youre looking for is a Tatar for Leddy scenario ?(or similar to)
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:45 p.m.
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so what youre looking for is a Tatar for Leddy scenario ?(or similar to)


Tatar for Leddy makes sense
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:46 p.m.
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Leddy was great in the 1st round against Pittsburgh. Scored a big goal and did a great job along with Boychuk at shutting down Malkins line. No one showed up in the 2nd round against Carolina, especially the offense, which is why we lost the series.


yeah but you got to agree its time to invest in Aho and Toews if you want to succeed.
Leddy and Boychuck did what they were supposed to buying NYI time to develop youth

its to bad Boychuk wasnt a lefty i know Claude Julien lost his **** at the GM when he was traded
Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:46 p.m.
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Tatar for Leddy makes sense


done
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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yeah but you got to agree its time to invest in Aho and Toews if you want to succeed.
Leddy and Boychuck did what they were supposed to buying NYI time to develop youth

its to bad Boychuk wasnt a lefty i know Claude Julien lost his **** at the GM when he was traded


Leddy will be gone by next week for a top 6 F, whether its to MTL or another team. Pelech-pulock are NYI shutdown pair, Toews-boychuk 2nd pairing, aho-dobson 3rd pairing IMO
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Jun. 17, 2019 at 6:04 p.m.
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Tolvanen isnt their top forward prospect anymore then Lehkoenen was ours .

you just have a weak system in which MTL could gift you Hudon's rights and he'd become one of your top 3 prospects.
you kept using picks to acquire players like Boninio , Turris , Simmonds ext. IF NSH system was stocked you'd look at Tolvanen like a 2nd/3rd line projected winger who might put up 45 points on a career high . he's a great offensive PP guy but 5v5 as a 2 way players he's a liability and not on the level most Finnish Prospect's have in their arsenal as Fundementals of their game .

but name a prospect ill take him , its all pretty well future bottom 6 players in their system anyways


They're not just gonna give away their top forward prospect. You can think what you want - but the fact is he had one of the best seasons ever for a rookie in the KHL. He followed it up with a bit of a slow season in the AHL, but that doesn't mean he loses all his value. He has more value than you're giving him, it's as simple as that. He's still a top prospect. And he still has the opportunity to round out his game to become a more complete player, he's only 20.

A quick search - they rank him 7th best NHL prospect: https://www.tsn.ca/top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1241869

You can disagree on the placement, but more people than just me see him as a top prospect.
Jun. 17, 2019 at 6:09 p.m.
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They're not just gonna give away their top forward prospect. You can think what you want - but the fact is he had one of the best seasons ever for a rookie in the KHL. He followed it up with a bit of a slow season in the AHL, but that doesn't mean he loses all his value. He has more value than you're giving him, it's as simple as that. He's still a top prospect. And he still has the opportunity to round out his game to become a more complete player, he's only 20.


yeah its sad thats your top winger , i just looked at him as one of many mid level players .
i couldnt have cared less if it was that mid level winger or another
i just took Richard unless thats another super secret top Prospect hahahahahahahahaa

he's only 20 is the same thing they used to say about 30 year olds at the NHL level .
the leagues younger and younger every year to the point at 23 Salomaki for example has reached full potential .
todays game requires you to adapt to a role to make a team which stunts development of many players like Salomaki trying to make the jump to North American Hockey .
Jun. 17, 2019 at 6:27 p.m.
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yeah its sad thats your top winger , i just looked at him as one of many mid level players .
i couldnt have cared less if it was that mid level winger or another
i just took Richard unless thats another super secret top Prospect hahahahahahahahaa

he's only 20 is the same thing they used to say about 30 year olds at the NHL level .
the leagues younger and younger every year to the point at 23 Salomaki for example has reached full potential .
todays game requires you to adapt to a role to make a team which stunts development of many players like Salomaki trying to make the jump to North American Hockey .


I mean, I agree and disagree. If you're using Salomaki as your example, he was never projected to be a top player in the NHL. He is in the exact role he was expected to play - 3rd/4th line energy player. He doesn't have the high offensive skill that other players do. I'd like it if he put up some more points, but he's also been hit with an awful injury bug nearly every season.

As for the age thing - you think every player is the same at 20 that they are at 30? You think no player has any room to grow? That's just nonsense. How about Erik Gustafson? He just had a 60 point season at age 27 - but I guess players don't get better after 23...it's just silly. Or William Karlsson for that matter.

And it's not some secret that Tolvanen is a top prospect - https://www.tsn.ca/top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1241869 - just one ranking of many that have him high on the list of top NHL prospects.

I would suggest humility over of ignorance. It's a much better look.
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I mean, I agree and disagree. If you're using Salomaki as your example, he was never projected to be a top player in the NHL. He is in the exact role he was expected to play - 3rd/4th line energy player. He doesn't have the high offensive skill that other players do. I'd like it if he put up some more points, but he's also been hit with an awful injury bug nearly every season.

As for the age thing - you think every player is the same at 20 that they are at 30? You think no player has any room to grow? That's just nonsense. How about Erik Gustafson? He just had a 60 point season at age 27 - but I guess players don't get better after 23...it's just silly. Or William Karlsson for that matter.

And it's not some secret that Tolvanen is a top prospect - https://www.tsn.ca/top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1241869 - just one ranking of many that have him high on the list of top NHL prospects.

I would suggest humility over of ignorance. It's a much better look.


no i didnt say they we're , you're ignoring context
Volume of younger players have seen the window in which Drafted players have to step up shrink .

it used to be you could develop a guy for 4-5 years before he'd be considered ready at age 23-24 to get his feet wet in the NHL.
The direct issue this create's is now teams are closer to the 50 contract limit then every before with many teams forced to not sign players before their rights expire .

MTL Canadians just had to let Tyzka and Walford walk for nothing because they're looking at 2-3 years minimum development and MTL cant take on 2 contracts for that long .

if you're hell bent on ignoring logic to convince yourself that you're right , the so be it.
i suggest you look at all the mental olympics and out right putting words in peoples mouths to do so .

please piss off my post with your arrogance
if you cannot contribute you cannot stay
disagree all you want but dont talk ****
that last comment was about your ego nothing more
Jun. 17, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
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no i didnt say they we're , you're ignoring context
Volume of younger players have seen the window in which Drafted players have to step up shrink .

it used to be you could develop a guy for 4-5 years before he'd be considered ready at age 23-24 to get his feet wet in the NHL.
The direct issue this create's is now teams are closer to the 50 contract limit then every before with many teams forced to not sign players before their rights expire .

MTL Canadians just had to let Tyzka and Walford walk for nothing because they're looking at 2-3 years minimum development and MTL cant take on 2 contracts for that long .

if you're hell bent on ignoring logic to convince yourself that you're right , the so be it.
i suggest you look at all the mental olympics and out right putting words in peoples mouths to do so .

please piss off my post with your arrogance
if you cannot contribute you cannot stay
disagree all you want but dont talk ****
that last comment was about your ego nothing more


I'm just showing how Tolvanen is considered a top prospect (which you disagreed with) and that saying he is 20 is not a bad thing (which you seemed to disagree with). You were the one who suggested a 23 year old player has reached his potential. I showed that that is not always the case with evidence.

The whole point of AGM is to see how your ideas hold up when put out there - it creates dialogue. Some may agree, some may disagree. Try having a more open mind to other people's opinions. If you can't handle someone disagreeing with your ideas without telling them they have to leave, maybe this isn't for you. You can think and feel however you want, but I'm just trying to have a conversation here. All good.
Jun. 17, 2019 at 7:11 p.m.
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Tolvanen isnt that great , he's at the same level of skill and hype for that matter Lehkonen was .
after 2 years that will die off and people will focus on a new player .

NSH has a lot of better prospects but ill take Salomaki just as easy if it helps

your evaluations on Mccarron and Shaw are both outdated though
Mccarron had a right to be pissed he was about to be the 5th first round bust under the same coach destroying them in the AHL.

he threw his tantrum and changes were made in Laval .
mccarron was a top guy for Coach Bouchard who made every skater earn ice time including Alzner
no one got hand outs based on cap , you stepped up or sat out .

Shaw Plays how he needs to
MTL put him on 4th he took 110 PIM playing Claude Juliens Goon /pest
Put him on 3rd line and he breaks in Danault , helps Chucky and Lehkonen lead MTL to last playoff .
put him on 2nd with Domi and he goes out and has career highs in offense and lows has lower penalty issues.

its why PHI when talking trading Ghostisbhere
Shaw's name was first mentioned
when linked to Duchene deal in COL Shaw's name was first mentioned in the deal .

Teams with a history of Winning or atleast intelligent GM's want Shaw .
WPG new this trying to land him the year they brought on Statsny .

to quote Domi '' if you dont understand Shawzy's value , you just dont know hockey , you just dont .''


Well that's not true that Lehkonen and Tolvanen came in with the same hype. Tolvanen had a crazy good khl year at 19, thats why he got hyped. I'm not saying Tolvanen is a stud, I'm saying he has potential.

I've been watching shaw for a while and for me, I think he costs his team on the ice too much. I'm sure the players love him but for 3.9 no thanks.
But I love when people start selling the players they are trying to trade lol. If he's so great for the team, why would you be so keen to part with him. Especially when you're not replacing his intangibles with anything?
So maybe you don't know hockey if you're willing to trade Domi's boy?
 
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