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Jun. 18, 2019 at 3:56 p.m.
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I'm down with everything, but I'd rather pair Hickey with Dobson, he could be an excellent mentor for him. They'll probably give Aho the Toews treatment anyways and keep him in the minors until there's an injury or something
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Jun. 18, 2019 at 3:59 p.m.
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I like it overall, but the pick in the WPG deal may need to be a 2nd instead if a 3rd. Also, no real reason to make the Vegas trade, Beau slides into the 3C slot with dal Coll and Ho-Sang on his wings. dal Colle earned a spot last season and shouldn’t be a bench guy.

Will also probably get more back for Leddy with what Defensemen are going for these days. Think multiple picks (1st and 2nd) or 1st and a prospect.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.
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I highly doubt Habs trade the 15th overall for Leddy. That's just too expensive for a dman that isn't elite.

I like the other trades though.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:05 p.m.
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I'm down with everything, but I'd rather pair Hickey with Dobson, he could be an excellent mentor for him. They'll probably give Aho the Toews treatment anyways and keep him in the minors until there's an injury or something


Both Aho and Toews should have made the team out of camp last year and Aho went on to have an All-Star season for Bridgeport, no reason to hold him down any longer. Hickey can serve as the 7th D and fill in as needed.

I’d arrange the D something like this:

Toews - Pulock - Toews is more suited for 1st line minutes than Pelech is.
Aho - Boychuk - gives Aho a defensive partner to let him play his offensive game
Pelech - Dobson - same as above, gives Dobson a defensive minded partner to play with.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:13 p.m.
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I highly doubt Habs trade the 15th overall for Leddy. That's just too expensive for a dman that isn't elite.

I like the other trades though.


Leddy is a top pairing, excellent skating puck moving LHD that Montreal needs.... he’s worth it and more.
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Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:15 p.m.
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Leddy is a top pairing, excellent skating puck moving LHD that Montreal needs.... he’s worth it and more.


I was tempted to add more but i didnt feel like getting ripped by Montreal fans so i j left it at that lol
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:17 p.m.
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Leddy is a top pairing, excellent skating puck moving LHD that Montreal needs.... he’s worth it and more.


I know exactly who he is, I just don't think you understand how valuable 1st round picks are, especially those this low.. Go look at how many trades for top 15 picks have happened AFTER the team already knew where they were drafting. (So not like with Ottawa for Duchene) Other than Cory Schneider for Bo Horvat a little while ago, I can't think of any. I'm sure NJ might rethink that one now.

Leddy is not a top pairing but he is a solid top 4. Semantics aside, you won't find one MTL fan who would want the trade above to happen. I'd rather overpay Edler or Gardiner and keep the pick than this trade.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:18 p.m.
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Love this by $65 million over the cap is not ideal.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:18 p.m.
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Love this by $65 million over the cap is not ideal.


lol i made the cap 8,100,000 instead of 81,000,000
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:34 p.m.
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I know exactly who he is, I just don't think you understand how valuable 1st round picks are, especially those this low.. Go look at how many trades for top 15 picks have happened AFTER the team already knew where they were drafting. (So not like with Ottawa for Duchene) Other than Cory Schneider for Bo Horvat a little while ago, I can't think of any. I'm sure NJ might rethink that one now.

Leddy is not a top pairing but he is a solid top 4. Semantics aside, you won't find one MTL fan who would want the trade above to happen. I'd rather overpay Edler or Gardiner and keep the pick than this trade.


How about 2 years ago at the draft.... CGY sent the #11 or #12 (can’t remember which pick exactly was Calgary’s) PLUS 2 2nds for Hamonic, who Leddy is far superior to, to the Isles. And while, yes that was an overpay, a similar package for Leddy wouldn’t be.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 4:52 p.m.
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How about 2 years ago at the draft.... CGY sent the #11 or #12 (can’t remember which pick exactly was Calgary’s) PLUS 2 2nds for Hamonic, who Leddy is far superior to, to the Isles. And while, yes that was an overpay, a similar package for Leddy wouldn’t be.


OK just for fun, when did that trade happen again? two years ago as you say? And the pick they used 11th or 12th was ...... Noah Dobson.... Picked in 2018 soooooo they couldn't have known where thhat pick would have landed.

That's why I said once they know where the pick will be.

BUT EVEN IF THEY DID, Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do you want to trade the Habs Matt Barzal for Victor Mete? Of course not. Bad trades happen all the time but they aren't the norm and shouldn't be taken as such.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.
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OK just for fun, when did that trade happen again? two years ago as you say? And the pick they used 11th or 12th was ...... Noah Dobson.... Picked in 2018 soooooo they couldn't have known where thhat pick would have landed.

That's why I said once they know where the pick will be.

BUT EVEN IF THEY DID, Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do you want to trade the Habs Matt Barzal for Victor Mete? Of course not. Bad trades happen all the time but they aren't the norm and shouldn't be taken as such.


Actually, that trade was made on the draft floor right before the pick was to be made, so the Flames new exactly what pick they were trading. You asked for a scenario where a team new they were trading a top 15 first rounder, so I gave you one that happened recently. Leddy is a much more valuable defenseman than Hamonic ever was, so it’s not unreasonable to think he’d garner a 1st rounder in the 15 to 20 slots.
Jun. 18, 2019 at 5:44 p.m.
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I'm down with everything, but I'd rather pair Hickey with Dobson, he could be an excellent mentor for him. They'll probably give Aho the Toews treatment anyways and keep him in the minors until there's an injury or something


i rather mentor your face with my fist. JK, I just wanted to type that
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Jun. 18, 2019 at 11:22 p.m.
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i rather mentor your face with my fist. JK, I just wanted to type that


I’m glad my comment gave you the opportunity to do so. Have a great day
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Jun. 19, 2019 at 10:17 a.m.
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Actually, that trade was made on the draft floor right before the pick was to be made, so the Flames new exactly what pick they were trading. You asked for a scenario where a team new they were trading a top 15 first rounder, so I gave you one that happened recently. Leddy is a much more valuable defenseman than Hamonic ever was, so it’s not unreasonable to think he’d garner a 1st rounder in the 15 to 20 slots.


Huh?

Travis Hamonic trade directly from HockeyDB.com:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=98869

2017-Jun-24 Traded from New York Islanders with conditional round 4 pick in the 2019 draft to Calgary Flames for round 1 pick in the 2018 draft (Noah Dobson), round 2 pick in the 2018 draft and conditional round 2 pick in the 2019 draft.

THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THE 17-18 SEASON STARTED.

NOAH DOBSON drafted on 2018-Jun-22. After the 17-18 season was finished. So when Isles traded Hamonic, they DID NOT KNOW where that 1st round pick would land because the draft order wouldn't be finalized for another year.


Anyhow I know a homer when I hear one. Good luck getting a top 15 pick for Leddy. I'll gladly acknowledge it when it happens. Let me know when you willing to trade Barzal for Mete.....
Jun. 19, 2019 at 10:58 a.m.
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Huh?

Travis Hamonic trade directly from HockeyDB.com:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=98869

2017-Jun-24 Traded from New York Islanders with conditional round 4 pick in the 2019 draft to Calgary Flames for round 1 pick in the 2018 draft (Noah Dobson), round 2 pick in the 2018 draft and conditional round 2 pick in the 2019 draft.

THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THE 17-18 SEASON STARTED.

NOAH DOBSON drafted on 2018-Jun-22. After the 17-18 season was finished. So when Isles traded Hamonic, they DID NOT KNOW where that 1st round pick would land because the draft order wouldn't be finalized for another year.


Anyhow I know a homer when I hear one. Good luck getting a top 15 pick for Leddy. I'll gladly acknowledge it when it happens. Let me know when you willing to trade Barzal for Mete.....


You are right, I misremembered the year. It did happen on the draft floor, but the year before... my bad.

But the argument still stands.... Leddy will bring back a mid 1st or the equivalent. Too many teams are gonna be interested in him and one GM is gonna panic on draft day and not want to take the chance on FA.
Jun. 19, 2019 at 11:13 a.m.
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You are right, I misremembered the year. It did happen on the draft floor, but the year before... my bad.

But the argument still stands.... Leddy will bring back a mid 1st or the equivalent. Too many teams are gonna be interested in him and one GM is gonna panic on draft day and not want to take the chance on FA.


We'll see. Based on previous history, it hasn't happened for a prominent dman since Dougie Hamilton. But Hamilton was a 21 year old who was drafted 9th overall and was coming off a 42 point season. Leddy is 28 and coming off a 26 point season.
Jun. 19, 2019 at 11:44 a.m.
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We'll see. Based on previous history, it hasn't happened for a prominent dman since Dougie Hamilton. But Hamilton was a 21 year old who was drafted 9th overall and was coming off a 42 point season. Leddy is 28 and coming off a 26 point season.


Good grief, this argument is getting old. Leddy took a hit in points, just like every other Islanders player, to turn the worse defensive team from two years ago into the best defensive team in the league last year, any good scout/evaluator is gonna understand that and know that in a more offensive style system Leddy is more likely to return to his 40+ point a season norm. I’m not sure why this is a hard concept for some people to understand...
Jun. 19, 2019 at 12:01 p.m.
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Good grief, this argument is getting old. Leddy took a hit in points, just like every other Islanders player, to turn the worse defensive team from two years ago into the best defensive team in the league last year, any good scout/evaluator is gonna understand that and know that in a more offensive style system Leddy is more likely to return to his 40+ point a season norm. I’m not sure why this is a hard concept for some people to understand...


Uuughh....Negotiation is a thing. Just because you say it, doesn't mean It won't be countered. Even then, say he was a 40 point dman (which isn't even that special to begin with), he's 28 years old. There's other options in free agency. Top 15 picks are where the cream of the crop are. Other trades for just as talented players for less cost. etc etc

Maybe do some historical trade valuations before you blow your load on the Leddy schtick. There is literally nothing in the recent trade history to support your claim...... I know because i just spent an hour trying to find one.....

But your right I'm supposed to take Hockeygoalie53's word for it...... Cuz you know, he's not bias in the slightest. rolling eyes
Jun. 19, 2019 at 12:12 p.m.
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Uuughh....Negotiation is a thing. Just because you say it, doesn't mean It won't be countered. Even then, say he was a 40 point dman (which isn't even that special to begin with), he's 28 years old. There's other options in free agency. Top 15 picks are where the cream of the crop are. Other trades for just as talented players for less cost. etc etc

Maybe do some historical trade valuations before you blow your load on the Leddy schtick. There is literally nothing in the recent trade history to support your claim...... I know because i just spent an hour trying to find one.....

But your right I'm supposed to take Hockeygoalie53's word for it...... Cuz you know, he's not bias in the slightest. rolling eyes


Yes, negotiation is absolutely a thing, but the Isles have ALL the leverage here. We don’t NEED to trade Leddy, we can keep him for next year and move him at the deadline or even next offseason. So, bottom line is, unless we get a package that suits Lou we keep Leddy. And speculation is Leddy will return a mid 1st plus, a top prospect+ or a top 6 winger.... only people who don’t seem to think so are Montreal fans... so now who’s being bias???
Jun. 19, 2019 at 12:51 p.m.
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Yes, negotiation is absolutely a thing, but the Isles have ALL the leverage here. We don’t NEED to trade Leddy, we can keep him for next year and move him at the deadline or even next offseason. So, bottom line is, unless we get a package that suits Lou we keep Leddy. And speculation is Leddy will return a mid 1st plus, a top prospect+ or a top 6 winger.... only people who don’t seem to think so are Montreal fans... so now who’s being bias???


So keep Leddy! There's no push to trade him and there's no push to get him if that's the cost. Top 6 winger (Tatar) made sense by almost every Habs fan. I just don't see why Tatar makes sense when he was traded for a late 1st,a 2nd and a 3rd only a year ago but now the equivalent value for Leddy would be a top 15 pick and a top prospect.... Something doesn't add up. This speculation you are talking about is fabricated and has much validity as the trade being for the 1st overall pick at this point...
Jun. 19, 2019 at 1:26 p.m.
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So keep Leddy! There's no push to trade him and there's no push to get him if that's the cost. Top 6 winger (Tatar) made sense by almost every Habs fan. I just don't see why Tatar makes sense when he was traded for a late 1st,a 2nd and a 3rd only a year ago but now the equivalent value for Leddy would be a top 15 pick and a top prospect.... Something doesn't add up. This speculation you are talking about is fabricated and has much validity as the trade being for the 1st overall pick at this point...


The speculation was made by analysts who, unlike you, understand the value of a Top 4 (could be top 2) puck moving defenseman with term at a reasonable CAP hit. And, by the way, never said a 1st AND a top prospect... it was a mid 1st plus additional picks OR a top prospect plus picks OR a top 6 winger with term. And by your logic, if Leddy is worth Tatar who was traded for a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd... wouldn’t Leddy be worth the equivalent?
Jun. 19, 2019 at 1:42 p.m.
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The speculation was made by analysts who, unlike you, understand the value of a Top 4 (could be top 2) puck moving defenseman with term at a reasonable CAP hit. And, by the way, never said a 1st AND a top prospect... it was a mid 1st plus additional picks OR a top prospect plus picks OR a top 6 winger with term. And by your logic, if Leddy is worth Tatar who was traded for a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd... wouldn’t Leddy be worth the equivalent?


Context. Are all 1sts equal to you? Is the 2019 STL 1st worth the same as the 2019 NJ 1st? NO. Yes by my logic i do think it was the same. Vegas traded their 1st rounder, which ended up being the 30th overall..... Now look at what the cost to move up in the draft from a couple spots away from 30th. Now see for 15th overall....... Major major concessions need to be made. Leddy would have to be worth a heck of lot more. Which he isn't.

So If by many people's opinions are that leddy for a top 6 winger makes sense, Tatar by many of those same people is an acceptable top 6, Tatar himself was traded for a 30OV 2018, 54OV 2019 and 2021 3rd, I think that would be more than fair for Leddy. Don't see how the 15OV is worth the same as 30th OV and 2nd the following year and a 3rd in 2 years time.

NYR last year paid Ottawa their 1st 26th OV and their 2nd rounder 48th OV, just to move up to 22OV. FOUR SPOTS. Imagine moving from 30th (In the Tatar example) for the 15th pick this year? Lottery picks (1-15) are just so valuable. That's why they are rarely traded. That's where the high percentage of stars are drafted.
Jun. 19, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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Context. Are all 1sts equal to you? Is the 2019 STL 1st worth the same as the 2019 NJ 1st? NO. Yes by my logic i do think it was the same. Vegas traded their 1st rounder, which ended up being the 30th overall..... Now look at what the cost to move up in the draft from a couple spots away from 30th. Now see for 15th overall....... Major major concessions need to be made. Leddy would have to be worth a heck of lot more. Which he isn't.

So If by many people's opinions are that leddy for a top 6 winger makes sense, Tatar by many of those same people is an acceptable top 6, Tatar himself was traded for a 30OV 2018, 54OV 2019 and 2021 3rd, I think that would be more than fair for Leddy. Don't see how the 15OV is worth the same as 30th OV and 2nd the following year and a 3rd in 2 years time.

NYR last year paid Ottawa their 1st 26th OV and their 2nd rounder 48th OV, just to move up to 22OV. FOUR SPOTS. Imagine moving from 30th (In the Tatar example) for the 15th pick this year? Lottery picks (1-15) are just so valuable. That's why they are rarely traded. That's where the high percentage of stars are drafted.


No, not all 1st are the same... I’m not an idiot. But in this scenario MTL is ONLY giving up the 15th overall pick for him, instead of a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd. Meaning that If the 1st in the Tatar trade was higher, those additional picks wouldn’t have been needed. Because it was 30 OA and not, say, 15 OA those additional picks were needed to make the deal happen.. pretty common sense thinking. And if you want to talk about context, multiple teams are going to be in on Leddy, which is going to drive the price up.
Jun. 19, 2019 at 2:22 p.m.
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No, not all 1st are the same... I’m not an idiot. But in this scenario MTL is ONLY giving up the 15th overall pick for him, instead of a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd. Meaning that If the 1st in the Tatar trade was higher, those additional picks wouldn’t have been needed. Because it was 30 OA and not, say, 15 OA those additional picks were needed to make the deal happen.. pretty common sense thinking. And if you want to talk about context, multiple teams are going to be in on Leddy, which is going to drive the price up.


I just finished explaining that moving up only a few spots would cost a 2nd (26th to 22nd) your telling me the only difference needed is an added 2021 3rd?? That's what 'm saying, the Tatar return < 15th overall (this isn't based on my opinion, this is based on historical trade value data).

It would take more than just Leddy, based on the Tatar return, for the Habs to send the 15th overall pick.
 
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