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We Bought Out Perry to Make Room for Marleau

Created by: OldNYIfan
Initial Creation Date: Jun 19, 2019
Published: Jun 19 at 1:03 pm
Team: 2019-20 Anaheim Ducks
Team Explanation
I just wish Tyler Myers was the solution to all of our RD woes.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Groulx, Benoit-Olivier3$863,333
Gates, Brent3$800,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dotchin, Jake2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Miller, Ryan1$2,000,000
Roy, Kevin2$900,000
Megna, Jaycob2$800,000
Welinski, Andy2$800,000
Myers, Tyler5$6,200,000
Trades
ANA
  1. Marleau, Patrick
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Sherwood, Kiefer
  2. 2019 6th round pick (ANA)
  3. 2021 7th round pick (ANA)
Buyouts
  • Corey Perry: $2,625,000
  • Simon Despres: $0
Buried
  • Patrick Eaves: $2,075,000 ($3,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
ANA
SJS
ANA
TOR
ANA
ANA
STL
2020
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
2021
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,000,000$82,966,424$0$2,497,500$33,576
Left WingCenterRight Wing
ANA
Comtois, Maxime
$820,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
ANA
Getzlaf, Ryan
$8,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
ANA
Rakell, Rickard
$3,789,444
C, RW, LW
UFA - 3
ANA
Shore, Devin
$2,300,000
LW, C, RW
RFA - 1
ANA
Henrique, Adam
$5,825,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
ANA
Silfverberg, Jakob
$5,250,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
ANA
Ritchie, Nick
$1,498,925
LW
RFA - 2
ANA
Steel, Sam
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
ANA
Kase, Ondrej
$2,600,000
RW
RFA - 2
ANA
Jones, Max
$863,333
LW
RFA - 2
ANA
Rowney, Carter
$1,133,333
C, RW
UFA - 2
ANA
Sprong, Daniel
$750,000
RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
ANA
Terry, Troy
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ANA
Fowler, Cam
$6,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
ANA
Manson, Josh
$4,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ANA
Gibson, John
$6,400,000
G
UFA - 8
ANA
Lindholm, Hampus
$5,205,556
LD
UFA - 3
Myers, Tyler
$6,200,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
ANA
Miller, Ryan
$2,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
ANA
Guhle, Brendan
$697,500
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
ANA
Mahura, Josh
$745,000
LD
RFA - 2
ANA
Dotchin, Jake
$800,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
$6,875,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3

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Jun 19 at 1:05
#1
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Yeah as a Leafs fan id do it
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Jun 19 at 1:05
#2
LGB
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Pretty sure that Marleau has told media that the only other place he will play is San Jose. Also not sure replacing one old guy with an even older guy is the solution
Jun 19 at 1:07
#3
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Sounds like a sitcom
Jun 19 at 1:08
#4
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: EricRobson77
Yeah as a Leafs fan id do it


Thanks!
Jun 19 at 1:09
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: PegLeg
Pretty sure that Marleau has told media that the only other place he will play is San Jose. Also not sure replacing one old guy with an even older guy is the solution


My understanding is that he said West Coast, and didn't mean Vancouver.
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Jun 19 at 1:09
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Quoting: PegLeg
Pretty sure that Marleau has told media that the only other place he will play is San Jose. Also not sure replacing one old guy with an even older guy is the solution


He said he wants to go back to the west coast so either ana, la or sj
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Jun 19 at 1:10
#7
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At least....I can't think of anything good.
Jun 19 at 1:11
#8
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: PegLeg
Pretty sure that Marleau has told media that the only other place he will play is San Jose. Also not sure replacing one old guy with an even older guy is the solution


We aren't replacing one old guy with an older guy. We're acquiring a RhD and a third-round pick for a meaningless cap hit because we only pay $1M of his salary.
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Jun 19 at 1:14
#9
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Like the trade, seems to make sense for both clubs to me.

Off-topic: any new favorite picks for Anaheim at #9? I've seen Krebs mocked there a lot among national media
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Jun 19 at 1:15
#10
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Since when do teams take one cap dump as the reason for taking another cap dump.

The ask on Marleau as been a young forward. The TOR GM has said as much and that the cost was "too high" currently. I highly doubt the price has gone down, especially as the cap amount is being reported as lower than the 83 million projected.
Jun 19 at 1:20
#11
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: TanSor
Like the trade, seems to make sense for both clubs to me.

Off-topic: any new favorite picks for Anaheim at #9? I've seen Krebs mocked there a lot among national media


My favorite is still Trevor Zegras, with second choice Victor Soderstrom. I just can't see them taking one of the wingers (Boldy, Caufield, Kaliyev) but maybe Podkolzin.
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Jun 19 at 1:22
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: pharrow
Since when do teams take one cap dump as the reason for taking another cap dump.

The ask on Marleau as been a young forward. The TOR GM has said as much and that the cost was "too high" currently. I highly doubt the price has gone down, especially as the cap amount is being reported as lower than the 83 million projected.

For Anaheim, Zaitsev isn't a cap dump -- he's an essential RD addition. Sherwood is a very promising RW who is buried on the depth chart even after Perry's buyout.
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Jun 19 at 1:22
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
My favorite is still Trevor Zegras, with second choice Victor Soderstrom. I just can't see them taking one of the wingers (Boldy, Caufield, Kaliyev) but maybe Podkolzin.


I'm really skeptical Zegras will fall that far. Honestly I'd see justification in taking him 3rd-5th overall, he's that talented. But alas you never know with these drafts. Zegras at 9 would be an absolute steal.

A C or a D makes a ton of sense. Soderstrom would be solid, Anaheim loves their European defenseman.
Jun 19 at 1:25
#14
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
For Anaheim, Zaitsev isn't a cap dump -- he's an essential RD addition. Sherwood is a very promising RW who is buried on the depth chart even after Perry's buyout.


yeah, Zaitsev is a cap dump for ANA. Lets not pretend there is value there.
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Jun 19 at 1:33
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Lenny7
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Quoting: pharrow
yeah, Zaitsev is a cap dump for ANA. Lets not pretend there is value there.


Agreed. Cap dump+cap dump+3rd would be a pretty dumb move on Anaheim's part. You're taking on $10.5ish mil in cap and doing the Leafs a huge favor when they're already in a tight spot.

Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense, but there had better be an asset included to take some of the heat off of that $21 mil that he's still owed.
Jun 19 at 1:35
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Quoting: PegLeg
Pretty sure that Marleau has told media that the only other place he will play is San Jose. Also not sure replacing one old guy with an even older guy is the solution


Kypreos said that and his level of "Insider" is basically making up rumours to look cool. He just speculates and makes stuff up to get fans riled up.
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Jun 19 at 1:41
#17
Lenny7
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Kypreos said that and his level of "Insider" is basically making up rumours to look cool. He just speculates and makes stuff up to get fans riled up.


You Leaf'ers have so many fans that it's pretty easy to do! Amazing to have such a huge fan base, but lord thunderin' jesus guys like him get the crowds going!
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Jun 19 at 1:42
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Quoting: Lenny7
You Leaf'ers have so many fans that it's pretty easy to do! Amazing to have such a huge fan base, but lord thunderin' jesus guys like him get the crowds going!


Totally, its a product of the age we live in. Everyone blows everything out of proportion all the time. Society thinks with its emotions too much.
Jun 19 at 1:47
#19
Lenny7
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Totally, its a product of the age we live in. Everyone blows everything out of proportion all the time. Society thinks with its emotions too much.


As a guy who has been a loyal Jays fan (And Raps, god love 'em) forever, if I'm ever having a bad day, I just scroll through the Jays facebook comments and think "At least you're not one of these people..."

Love to see arenas and stadiums packed (Going the other way for the Jays right now unfortunately), and love that the fan bases are growing, but holy moly the amount of hot-takes on a daily basis is painful.

The Ducks are my one salvation, since there's about 3 of us that are fans in Atlantic Canada total.
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Jun 19 at 3:05
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: pharrow
yeah, Zaitsev is a cap dump for ANA. Lets not pretend there is value there.


I'm not pretending. That's my contention. The only pretending being done is your pretense that Korbinian Holzer, Andy Welinski and Jake Dotchin are NHL level and Nikita Zaitsev isn't. Because that's the inevitable logic of your position.
Jun 19 at 3:08
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OldNYIfan
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Quoting: Lenny7
Agreed. Cap dump+cap dump+3rd would be a pretty dumb move on Anaheim's part. You're taking on $10.5ish mil in cap and doing the Leafs a huge favor when they're already in a tight spot.

Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense, but there had better be an asset included to take some of the heat off of that $21 mil that he's still owed.


"Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense" precisely because he isn't a cap dump. You have refuted your own argument. He's a perfectly good 3rd-pairing d-man on a long-term contract that the Ducks can afford, and is an absolute requirement this season given the dire weakness of their right-side defense.
Jun 19 at 3:13
#22
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
"Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense" precisely because he isn't a cap dump. You have refuted your own argument. He's a perfectly good 3rd-pairing d-man on a long-term contract that the Ducks can afford, and is an absolute requirement this season given the dire weakness of their right-side defense.


Now when you "got Myers" ( or Stralman ) how about this one :

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1234768
Jun 19 at 3:41
#23
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
"Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense" precisely because he isn't a cap dump. You have refuted your own argument. He's a perfectly good 3rd-pairing d-man on a long-term contract that the Ducks can afford, and is an absolute requirement this season given the dire weakness of their right-side defense.


a 4.5 million 3rd pairing D man. Brilliant. And you keep arguing as if that makes any sense.
The only time you are getting that in a 3rd pairing Dman is if he brings something else to the table, and even then most people will tell you, it's a bad contract.
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Jun 19 at 3:54
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Lenny7
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
"Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense" precisely because he isn't a cap dump. You have refuted your own argument. He's a perfectly good 3rd-pairing d-man on a long-term contract that the Ducks can afford, and is an absolute requirement this season given the dire weakness of their right-side defense.


"Acquiring Zaitsev makes sense" but there had better be an asset attached. Cherry picking comments is over-rated. If we change *precisely because he isn't a cap dump* to *precisely because he IS a cap dump*, then all of the sudden you've refuted your own argument. See how full sentences matter, and if we change things to our own benefit it's easier to make a counter-argument?

You're right, Anaheim can afford Zaitsev. Anaheim can also afford multiple other cheaper options. Paying $4.5 mil/year to a 3rd pairing dman (as you said he is) is a bit foolish though, especially with the term attached. Just because a team can afford a player today, doesn't make it a smart move for the following season(s). See: Zaitsev in Toronto. Team could afford him, then all of the sudden they couldn't. Why not use the $10.5ish mil in cap space to acquire any number of equally capable 3rd pairing dmen.

You've turned a team that has freed some seriously needed cap space into a team that's back into cap hell, and haven't improved it.
Jun 19 at 3:55
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Lenny7
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Quoting: pharrow
a 4.5 million 3rd pairing D man. Brilliant. And you keep arguing as if that makes any sense.
The only time you are getting that in a 3rd pairing Dman is if he brings something else to the table, and even then most people will tell you, it's a bad contract.


It's only a good, affordable contract if you're Toronto, who have to trade him away because they can't afford him. Kinda ironic...
 
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