Ottawa 100% does not come near this. How can you expect them to retain 4 mil on Ryan and take on Backes. The players you give up are not even close to making it worth it.

People making moves to Ottawa always throw in "to help them reach the cap floor". That's when you know it's a bad trade.

if they did it in a two part trade where the bruins take on bobby ryan before july 1st, and trade backes after july 1st, even with the retention, ottawa saves 6.25 million dollars in real money.

this trade is to acc free up cap space for OTT more than it is for BOS, u save money on a bobby ryan retention instead of a buyout and backes is only owed 5mil total in real money for the remainder of his contract, and when hes traded to a contender with a 50% retention its even less real money owed. Sure a draft pick could be added or that 4th can be taken away but it seems even to me

That is an EASY no from Ottawa, also Backes doesn’t waive for them anyway

backes waives if hes flipped to a contender

Ottawa needs to get to the floor and this is a way to do it with very little real money. I would rather give up a pick than Cehlarik though.

Why would a contender take Backes

Real money doesn’t mean anything. It’s all about cap hits.

wdym bc hes still an effective bottom6 guy, like tf.

And yes cap hit matters but OTT gets a bargain, with melnyk being a penny pincher backes is the perfect contract for him. The cap hit gets OTT to the floor and melnyk doesnt have to pay full price for it

Don’t know how you can call him an effective bottom 6 guy for a contender when he was just a healthy scratch for a team that was IN THE STANLEY CUP FINAL

he was scratched for only 2 games in the final, yes he did only play in 15 gms but thats bc our bottom6 was a lock. Trade him to a team that needs a full time bottom6 rw and he will put up 30pts. 30 pts from a guy with a cap hit of 3mil is not horrible

30? Backes will hit 15 points at most next season. Anyways, why pay Backes 3mil for 30 points when you could get 30 points from someone for 1mil?

who would that be?? I bet if backes played on a team that acc wanted him with consistent minutes on the bottom6 he could put up 30, plus he brings that veteran leadership

Lmao the bruins gave him 70 regular season games this year and he scored 7 goals. He’s not a playable player anymore. No one will want him for more than 800k unless you pay them a draft pick and a prospect, which Ottawa would not be willing to do on a flip.

Also veteran leadership is overrated bullsh.it. Bruins had Marchand, Bergeron, Krejci, Chara, Krug, and Rask all with SCF experience. You know who the blues had? Nobody. Including a rookie goalie. Guess who won game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals on the road? The team with no veteran leadership and experience.

he only had that amount bc he was throw into a role that was not his, his role is a bottom6 who bangs and crashes the net, not a speedy 2rw sniper/playmaker. Thats y he struggled. And im not saying veteran leadership wins u games but it most definitely builds character in the locker room and helps young guys develop, that the purpose of veteran leadership

You know Ottawa is a floor team right? Real money is just as (if not more) important as the cap hit.

Backes didn’t play on the 2nd line in the regular season. He rotated between the 3rd and 4th line. And yeah veteran leadership can be useful for some things (not player development though), but when that’s all he brings to the table, it’s not worth spending 3mil for.

thats the problem he was constantly being bumped around the lineup

k listen, let me spread this out cause clearly theres some miscommunication;
1. backes isnt owed 6mill per, hes only owed 5mill in real money total, and when he gets dealt to OTT they eat 50% of that so its even less real money owed by the team that wants him ( OTT reaches the floor with the high cap hit but in reality owe a lot less, win win for melnyk)
2. A contender will def want him to solidify their bottom6, he can play both c/rw, hes a veteran, hes a big hitter, can still put up decent pts (possibly even great numbers for a bottom6 if he has consistent minutes)

Real money is not important to a contending team. His cap hit stays the same. Which is all that matters to cap-tight teams.

So you’re telling me if they just kept Backes at 1 spot In the bottom 6 it would suddenly revitalize his value. Yeah...no. No reason to pay 3million to bank on that, when you could pay 1-1.5mil for a guy that you know would be better. Why do you keep bringing up that he’s a veteran? That doesn’t change the fact that he’s grossly overpaid. He cannot play center, nowhere near fast enough. He also hasn’t been a big hitter in a few years, he can’t hit something without concussing himself now. You know that this isn’t the STL Backes right? He is a completely different player now. He’s nothing more than a depth player. He’s not even good enough to play in the AHL. But oh yeah, he’s a “veteran,” that totally makes him worth 3mil to cap-tight contending teams when a team with no veteran experience just won the Stanley cup. Give it up dude. A contending team will not want Backes unless they get a really nice sweetener in the deal.

And if there’s a team out there that needs David Backes to “solidify” their bottom 6, I’ve got news for you...they are not a contending team...

depends what u call a team a contender, cause im sure backes would waive for MIN. The ideal team to send backes to would be MIN, with them having 20mill in cap and only needing to re-sign 1 significant player to big money, backes’ cap hit wont hurt the wild. MIN imo is a contending team with their core still playing at an elite level so they r in win now mode so y not bring backes in to strengthen their depth, plus the team has a lot of young guys he can take under his wing if they r his linemates. Also your whole bottom6 cant be skilled young guys, u need a little grit in there. Plus MIN is backes hometown which sweetens the deal

Well for Minnesota I agree, in my AGMs i always trade him along with a second, but...

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They are literally rebuilding now. They haven’t been past the first round in 5 years. They are probably the most irrelevant franchise in the NHL. This is your definition of a contender?

Bottom 10 teams selling at the deadline with an aging core are not contenders in anyway you put it.

ya but u never know right, any team can go on a run, so when i see teams that have a well established enough core they r contenders. MIN was still in the playoff race until the last few games of the season

Please don’t tell me you think David Backes is what would turn a borderline team (even though Minnesota is a dumpster fire) into a contending team

So Sens retains 3.625 on Ryan then 3 more on Backes and flip. Retain 6.625. Might as well just keep Ryan.

but in the long term its cheaper, and yes the caphit retention on backes is 3mill but hes owed way less in real money