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Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 19, 2019
Published: Jun. 20, 2019
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1$1,150,000
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4$3,500,000
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  1. Russell, Kris ($500,000 retained)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
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  1. Benning, Matthew
  2. Safin, Ostap
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)
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LW, C
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LW
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C, LW
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RW
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NMC
UFA - 4
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G
UFA - 2
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RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 12:17 p.m.
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Maybe the simplest and fairest armcahir gm i have seen in the last week. Well done sir. Need lucic to score 45 points this year so we dont lose the trade so badly when he does go.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 12:21 p.m.
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Maybe the simplest and fairest armcahir gm i have seen in the last week. Well done sir. Need lucic to score 45 points this year so we dont lose the trade so badly when he does go.


Thank you sir. Haula might be risky since he only has 1 year before UFA. But worth the risk for an actual NHL player who can give good third line minutes.
I bet most fans would be satisfied with 10/20/30 from Lucic this season.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 12:26 p.m.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 12:28 p.m.
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Why give all that up for Connor Brown? That's a ridiculous overpay.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 12:36 p.m.
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Why give all that up for Connor Brown? That's a ridiculous overpay.


Because I always see fans on these threads arguing that Benning alone is not fair value for Brown. So I added a mid round pick and a B prospect. This wouldn’t hurt the Oilers much if at all.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 12:46 p.m.
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Because I always see fans on these threads arguing that Benning alone is not fair value for Brown. So I added a mid round pick and a B prospect. This wouldn’t hurt the Oilers much if at all.


Benning can legit play 2RD. Instead, you've got a raw rookie in that position, backed up by another raw rookie at 3RD, backed up by another rookie at 4RD. You'd be far ahead if you kept Benning and promoted Yamamoto or the 8th pick (who did you pick, BTW?) to the NHL roster. Heck, even having Maksimov in the NHL would probably be better than the Brown trade.

Please point to similar actual trades that have occurred in the NHL where a young 2/3 RD gets traded for an overpaid, underperforming bottom-6 winger.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 1:09 p.m.
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Benning can legit play 2RD. Instead, you've got a raw rookie in that position, backed up by another raw rookie at 3RD, backed up by another rookie at 4RD. You'd be far ahead if you kept Benning and promoted Yamamoto or the 8th pick (who did you pick, BTW?) to the NHL roster. Heck, even having Maksimov in the NHL would probably be better than the Brown trade.

Please point to similar actual trades that have occurred in the NHL where a young 2/3 RD gets traded for an overpaid, underperforming bottom-6 winger.


Benning is a number 5/6 dman as it stands right now. He is not great in his own zone and I’d argue Jones has much more upside than him. They wouldn’t be any better off if they had him there instead of Caleb Jones, minus the fact he shoots right. They need more wingers and Connor Brown is a decent gamble. If you want to omit the added pieces, then sure. I see no reason to gift Yamamoto a spot. He has shown nothing that proves he can play capable minute in the NHL. He hasn’t even produced in the AHL or been able to stay healthy. And Maksimov is much more of a raw rookie than Jones or Bear, as both have actual NHL experience. Brown has actually produced in the past. So I’m not sure how you can argue that a player with zero PRO, nevermind NHL experience would be a better bet. I’m not saying the D core is great by any means. But having depth at that position allows Edm to switch in and or between Persson, Jones, Bear, Bouchard, while having - a good core of vets in Klef, Nurse, Larsson and sekera.
Btw id want the Oilers to draft in order of Zegras, Dach, Caufield, Cozens. Depending on who is available.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 1:12 p.m.
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Benning is a number 5/6 dman as it stands right now. He is not great in his own zone and I’d argue Jones has much more upside than him. They wouldn’t be any better off if they had him there instead of Caleb Jones, minus the fact he shoots right. They need more wingers and Connor Brown is a decent gamble. If you want to omit the added pieces, then sure. I see no reason to gift Yamamoto a spot. He has shown nothing that proves he can play capable minute in the NHL. He hasn’t even produced in the AHL or been able to stay healthy. And Maksimov is much more of a raw rookie than Jones or Bear, as both have actual NHL experience. I’m not saying the D core is great by any means. But having depth at that position allows Edm to switch in and or between Persson, Jones, Bear, Bouchard, while having - a good core of vets in Klef, Nurse, Larsson and sekera.
Btw id want the Oilers to draft in order of Zegras, Dach, Caufield, Cozens. Depending on who is available.


Benning is a capable 2RD. You say you don't want to gift Yamamoto a spot (neither do I), but you're happy gifting Jones a spot that he hasn't proved he can handle? I think its a bad idea, and I KNOW Holland won't go into the season with 3 rookie defensemen.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 1:20 p.m.
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Benning is a capable 2RD. You say you don't want to gift Yamamoto a spot (neither do I), but you're happy gifting Jones a spot that he hasn't proved he can handle? I think its a bad idea, and I KNOW Holland won't go into the season with 3 rookie defensemen.


I will respectfully disagree as I think he is a 5/6 D who can give you 2nd unit PP time. I’m not saying Jones will get gifted a spot? Of course he will have to earn it. But when I watched him play, (I watched many Bakersfield games) he was impressive. He showed at times he belonged in the NHL. Has already played 2 full pro seasons and may be ready to make the next jump.
Benning is not the hill I am dying on lol. I’d be okay with a d core of
Klef-Larsson
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Jones-Benning.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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I will respectfully disagree as I think he is a 5/6 D who can give you 2nd unit PP time. I’m not saying Jones will get gifted a spot? Of course he will have to earn it. But when I watched him play, (I watched many Bakersfield games) he was impressive. He showed at times he belonged in the NHL. Has already played 2 full pro seasons and may be ready to make the next jump.
Benning is not the hill I am dying on lol. I’d be okay with a d core of
Klef-Larsson
Nurse-Sekera
Jones-Benning.


You respectfully disagree with what? I'm not stating my opinion, I'm just pointing out the facts. Benning has played 1RD and 2RD at times over the past 3 years, and he's been very successful in those minutes. It's a fact, not an opinion.

I mean, I suppose you can disagree with fact - there are people out there that still believe the earth is flat.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 5:47 p.m.
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You respectfully disagree with what? I'm not stating my opinion, I'm just pointing out the facts. Benning has played 1RD and 2RD at times over the past 3 years, and he's been very successful in those minutes. It's a fact, not an opinion.

I mean, I suppose you can disagree with fact - there are people out there that still believe the earth is flat.


Okay sounds good thanks for commenting
Jun. 21, 2019 at 7:00 a.m.
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Okay sounds good thanks for commenting


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Q: Is 1250 minutes over 3 years a large enough sample size to prove anything? I’m genuinely asking, because on another forum I’m the only guy that sees any value in Matt Benning at all, and looking at the numbers I think he can play 2RD. Certainly between him, Sekera and Russell we should be able to cover 2RD next season, but the numbers for Benning are intriguing.

To start with I used a proxy for “top-4” each year going back to 2016-17, based on TOI v Elites taken from puckiq.com, as follows:

2016-17: Sekera (35.5%), Klefbom (34.6)
2017-18: Nurse (34.9), Klefbom (32.3)
2018-19: Klefbom (35.1), Nurse (33.8)

Next I went to naturalstattrick.com and, using their “Teammates” tool, filtered all the stats for each year for the TOI Benning spent with each player listed above. I realize there were times when Russell-Benning were the 2nd pairing, but there may have been games that they were 3rd pairing too and I didn’t want to confuse the numbers with 3rd pairing data. Then too, who you play with is as important as who you play against, so showing those games where Russell-Benning played 2nd pairing probably doesn’t give us much information about potential combos this coming season, unless the injury bug strikes down 2-3 of the top-5 guys. For reference though, Russell-Benning were together just 21:04 in 2018-19 and outscored the competition 2-1. Negligible.

So I built an excel spreadsheet combining all the figures for Benning’s ice-time with the top two LHD for each season and the results were interesting to say the least. For the 3 years combined, 5v5 minutes in the top-4 only:

TOI: 1250:19
CF%: 52.79
FF%: 53.00
SF%: 53.17
GF%: 55.65

xGF%: 53.71
SCF%: 52.75
SCGF%: 56.99
HDCF%: 52.69
HDGF%: 56.72

Sh%: 9.51
Sv%: 91.75
PDO: 1.013

Again, this is just the time he spent in the top-4, these numbers don’t include any bottom-pairing play at all. This looks like a decent top-4 blueliner from here. Is it the McDavid push? Let’s look at the numbers with and without McDavid, filtered by the aforementioned top two LHD:

With McDavid

TOI: 420:30
CF%: 55.19
FF%: 56.65
SF%: 56.14
GF%: 62.96

xGF%: 56.10
SCF%: 55.27
HDCF%: 55.10
HDGF%: 59.38

Sh%: 14.05
Sv%: 90.73
PDO: 1.048

Without McDavid:

TOI: 829:47
CF%: 51.39
FF%: 50.88
SF%: 51.49
GF%: 49.18

xGF%: 52.06
SCF%: 50.97
HDCF%: 50.80
HDGF%: 54.29

Sh%: 8.20
Sv%: 94.67
PDO: 1.029

The truth is that Benning, even when playing top-4 minutes, isn’t getting a ton of “McDavid time”, just 33.6% of his TOI was spent with the world’s best center. Of course his numbers in those minutes are better, but he performed quite well even without the CMD push.

And then there’s this: Benning personally posted amazing boxcars during these minutes. His .912 points/60 puts him tied for 58th best defenseman in the NHL over the past 3 years, while his .29 goals/60 puts him in a 5 way tie for 24th, with Jones, Ekblad, Markov and our own Darnell Nurse. (I can’t believe so many Oilers fans are calling for these two to be traded). These are phenomenal numbers.

The list of marquee players that couldn’t match Benning’s .912 p/60 over the past 3 years is long, including Slavin, Petry, Morrissey, Ekholm, Heiskanen, Gostisbehere, Miller, Pesce, Ekman-Larsson, Parayko, Ekblad, Brodin, Doughty, Lindholm, Fowler, Ristolainen, Klefbom, Hamonic and Vatanen.

Now, I’m not suggesting that Matt Benning is a top-pairing guy or even a sure-fire top 4. I do know for sure that he’s played a reasonable amount of top-4 minutes over the past 3 years and has won those minutes even playing behind a piss-poor forward group. NONE of the other top blueliners can touch Benning’s GF% without McDavid, and it isn’t close:

Benning: 49.18 (while in the top-4 only)
Nurse: 44.51
Russell: 43.87
Larsson: 43.68
Klefbom: 40.27
Sekera: 40.00 (includes bottom-pairing time)

For reference, Benning’s overall GF% without McDavid (just so we’re comparing apples-to-apples) is 51.45%.
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