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The 2016 Penguins Were Much Better Than The Blues

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I will say this. This St Louis Blues cup winning team is no where near as impressive as the 2016 Pittsburgh Penguins. How can we compare a team that relies on heaviness, grit and intimidation to a team that dominated using speed, skill and creativity? The Penguins played much more beautiful hockey during their run. Plus they won much more convincingly as they outplayed every team in possession, offensive zone time, shots and chances created. The Blues were not as capable in carrying the play compared to the Penguins. There shouldn’t be any debate over this, anyone with hockey knowledge will admit that the Penguins’ 2016 cup was the true definition of how hockey should be played. They were clean, disciplined, fast, skillful and creative with their play style. Totally on a different level.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:22 p.m.
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Jake Guentzel wasn't on this team.

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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:24 p.m.
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Literally every team in the past 10 years was way better than the blues. This season was the biggest outlier of the past 10 and it's really not close.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:25 p.m.
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Quoting: okrepps185
Jake Guentzel wasn't on this team.

Lines were

43-87-72
14-71-17
HBK
34-7-16

58-8
28-4
3-6

30/29

Dupuis (IR) Bennett, Zatkoff, Cole, Sundqvist scratches


Yes you are right, thanks for the information. But still, this Penguins team was way better than the Blues.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:26 p.m.
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Who cares? The 2019 blues were far superior than the 2019 penguins
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:27 p.m.
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Quoting: NickC1988
Literally every team in the past 10 years was way better than the blues. This season was the biggest outlier of the past 10 and it's really not close.


The 2016 Penguins were the best Stanley Cup Champions over the past 10 years. They were more dominant in controlling the play even compared to the 2012 Kings and 2013 Blackhawks. They are the only team I’ve seen generate as much zone time, puck possession, shots and chances on a nightly basis, yet giving up so little.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:29 p.m.
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Who cares? The 2019 blues were far superior than the 2019 penguins


That’s not the point. The Blues won by playing extremely heavy, cheap, dirty, reckless and violent hockey. Their game plan was to intimidate their opponent as much as possible. As much as physical play is part of hockey, the true way to play the sport is to dominate using your skating, agility, stick handling, creativity and talent with the puck. The 2016 Penguins were far better.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:30 p.m.
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Quoting: MichaelFu
That’s not the point. The Blues won by playing extremely heavy, cheap, dirty, reckless and violent hockey. Their game plan was to intimidate their opponent as much as possible. As much as physical play is part of hockey, the true way to play the sport is to dominate using your skating, agility, stick handling, creativity and talent with the puck.


And they won the cup, so who cares.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:30 p.m.
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Quoting: MichaelFu
The 2016 Penguins were the best Stanley Cup Champions over the past 10 years. They were more dominant in controlling the play even compared to the 2012 Kings and 2013 Blackhawks. They are the only team I’ve seen generate as much zone time, puck possession, shots and chances on a nightly basis, yet giving up so little.


That's debatable. 2012-2013 hawks were 36-7-5 in a lockout shortened 82 game season. On pace for what tampa achieved.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:35 p.m.
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That's debatable. 2012-2013 hawks were 36-7-5 in a lockout shortened 82 game season. On pace for what tampa achieved.


and you could easily argue that the 2013 Bruins team>2016 sharks team, i get that this pens team was stacked but almost every cup winning team is stacked. I also dont get why hes even making this argument at this point
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:39 p.m.
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That's debatable. 2012-2013 hawks were 36-7-5 in a lockout shortened 82 game season. On pace for what tampa achieved.


I’m specifically talking about their performance in the playoffs, not regular season. Of course the Hawks were brilliant, but even they had games where they were under siege and outplayed by the Bruins or Kings. Aside from game 3 against the Capitals, the Penguins never let that happen during their cup run. They were always in control of the play and came up with more shots and chances at the end of the game. Even when they lost, their play was still incredibly convincing that they were that much better.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:40 p.m.
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and you could easily argue that the 2013 Bruins team>2016 sharks team, i get that this pens team was stacked but almost every cup winning team is stacked. I also dont get why hes even making this argument at this point


I think this argument is made because this St Louis team had one of the most unprecedented stretches of hockey we will ever see. From last at New Year's, to stanley cup champion 6 months later. The crazier part is it is hard to say any of these players are good enough to be considered hall of famers. The past 10 seasons (and you could probably go farther back), Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane, Keith, Bergeron, Chara, Doughty, Quick, and Kopitar are all much more likely to be hall of famers than Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, or ROR.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:43 p.m.
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I’m specifically talking about their performance in the playoffs, not regular season. Of course the Hawks were brilliant, but even they had games where they were under siege and outplayed by the Bruins or Kings. Aside from game 3 against the Capitals, the Penguins never let that happen during their cup run. They were always in control of the play and came up with more shots and chances at the end of the game. Even when they lost, their play was still incredibly convincing that they were that much better.


I think 2013 Boston was a much better opponent than 2016 San Jose, but this argument could go on for hours if you want to start nitpicking intangibles
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:48 p.m.
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and you could easily argue that the 2013 Bruins team>2016 sharks team, i get that this pens team was stacked but almost every cup winning team is stacked. I also dont get why hes even making this argument at this point


That Bruins team had: Bergeron, Marchand, Jagr, Krejci, Lucic, Horton, Seguin, Chara, Krug, Seidenberg & Rask. The Sharks had Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Hertl, Donskoi, Zubrus, Burns, Martin & Jones. Sure, maybe the Bruins were a little better but pretty much on the same level. The only reason why you think the Hawks had tougher competition was because the Penguins beat the Sharks extremely convincingly, which proves their superiority. I’m not even talking about which team was more stacked, simply which one played more dominant on the ice.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:50 p.m.
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What was the commonality between the 16 Pens and the 19 Blues though?
Both were veteran teams with mostly guys in their primes.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:53 p.m.
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Lol, the Blues won because they were the best defensive team in the league, not because they played physical. When Pietrangelo and Parayko can play 53 minutes a night and you have a good goalie, nobody’s doing much scoring. Sure the Blues don’t have the luxury of a Crosby or Malkin, but every single forward on the Blues (except Fabbri) was effective in the playoffs. Schwartz, ROR, Schenn, and even Tarasenko won’t wow you with points, but they’re committed two way players. The Blues are different than previous cup winners, but not in the way that the media claims they are.
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Jun. 20, 2019 at 9:55 p.m.
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I think 2013 Boston was a much better opponent than 2016 San Jose, but this argument could go on for hours if you want to start nitpicking intangibles


You are wrong, the Sharks were actually a force to be reckoned with during that 2016 cup run. You are downplaying their brilliance because the Penguins beat them in a lopsided 6 game series in which they were heavily outplayed. Keep in mind that before the series started, almost all experts predicted that the Sharks would crush the Penguins in 4 or 5 games.
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Lol, the Blues won because they were the best defensive team in the league, not because they played physical. When Pietrangelo and Parayko can play 53 minutes a night and you have a good goalie, nobody’s doing much scoring. Sure the Blues don’t have the luxury of a Crosby or Malkin, but every single forward on the Blues (except Fabbri) was effective in the playoffs. Schwartz, ROR, Schenn, and even Tarasenko won’t wow you with points, but they’re committed two way players. The Blues are different than previous cup winners, but not in the way that the media claims they are.


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You’re delusional if you think this Blues team is on the same level as the 2016 Penguins. The Blues won because they intimidated their opponents, the Penguins won because of their skill. Tell me which is more impressive? Also, the 2016 Penguins had the better defensive play throughout the playoffs. They conceded fewer shots, attempts and chances than this current Blues team. Most of the time they were in the offensive zone cycling the puck and creating chances. As they often say it, attack is the best type of the defense. That’s what the Penguins did. Not downplaying the Blues’ achievement, the Penguins were simply better.
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What was the commonality between the 16 Pens and the 19 Blues though?
Both were veteran teams with mostly guys in their primes.


Only difference was that the penguins were clearly better. Plain and simple.
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Quoting: MichaelFu
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You’re delusional if you think this Blues team is on the same level as the 2016 Penguins. The Blues won because they intimidated their opponents, the Penguins won because of their skill. Tell me which is more impressive? Also, the 2016 Penguins had the better defensive play throughout the playoffs. They conceded fewer shots, attempts and chances than this current Blues team. Most of the time they were in the offensive zone cycling the puck and creating chances. As they often say it, attack is the best type of the defense. That’s what the Penguins did. Not downplaying the Blues’ achievement, the Penguins were simply better.


But why does it matter? Why are you comparing a 2019 cup winning team to a 2016 cup winning team? It doesn't matter how they won
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Quoting: MichaelFu
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You’re delusional if you think this Blues team is on the same level as the 2016 Penguins. The Blues won because they intimidated their opponents, the Penguins won because of their skill. Tell me which is more impressive? Also, the 2016 Penguins had the better defensive play throughout the playoffs. They conceded fewer shots, attempts and chances than this current Blues team. Most of the time they were in the offensive zone cycling the puck and creating chances. As they often say it, attack is the best type of the defense. That’s what the Penguins did. Not downplaying the Blues’ achievement, the Penguins were simply better.


I never said they were better, but imagine thinking the Blues won because they “intimidated their opponents.” That is a hilariously false statement. The Blues were 24th in hits during the regular season and had 0 suspensions. They had way more hits in the Boston series than the other 3 which was because Boston was easily the best team they played and they had to play without the puck a lot more. The Blues didn’t have the offense to roll over teams, but they had the structure and defense to beat anyone.
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But why does it matter? Why are you comparing a 2019 cup winning team to a 2016 cup winning team? It doesn't matter how they won


I hear people saying all the time that this Blues team was better than the 2016 Penguins. I’m simply trying to prove that it is not the case.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 10:15 p.m.
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I never said they were better, but imagine thinking the Blues won because they “intimidated their opponents.” That is a hilariously false statement. The Blues were 24th in hits during the regular season and had 0 suspensions. They had way more hits in the Boston series than the other 3 which was because Boston was easily the best team they played and they had to play without the puck a lot more. The Blues didn’t have the offense to roll over teams, but they had the structure and defense to beat anyone.


Yes there’s no denying that the Blues cup win was deserved and that they were better than the Bruins, but they were still more intimidating and less skilled than the 2016 Penguins.
Jun. 20, 2019 at 10:16 p.m.
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Quoting: MichaelFu
I hear people saying all the time that this Blues team was better than the 2016 Penguins. I’m simply trying to prove that it is not the case.


Where are you hearing that at?
Jun. 20, 2019 at 10:17 p.m.
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Quoting: MichaelFu
Yes there’s no denying that the Blues cup win was deserved and that they were better than the Bruins, but they were still more intimidating and less skilled than the 2016 Penguins.


Ok fine
Jun. 20, 2019 at 10:20 p.m.
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WTF does this have to do with anything? Why are you creating a very random and disconnected comparison? What does this have to do with CapFriendly's Armchair GM tool? What. The. Eff.
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